AND THIS WHY SOCIALISM DONT WORK.

[BoroRedKen]

"You know what I mean, I could say the cruise or airport pensioners if that helps?

My point is not that you take away fuel benefit from all pensioners, just those that don't need it. I'm of an age where I know loads of pensioners and none of them need a couple of hundred quid to keep the heating on, in fact an few of them are subsidising their families with shopping and other help.

Look you can keep arguing it, but I'm a die hard socialist and my personal view is that the government, any government, should not be giving handouts for fuel bills to relatively wealthy people who don't need it."

CONTEXT.
HE REFERRED TO SOME PENSIONERS AS "GARDEN CENTRE PENSIONERS".

Must be fantastic not to have to worry about old people.

[BoroRedKen]

Also read the Trump stuff lately.

They will only stop when they see a bullet hit his head.

If this was Starmer there would be hell on. It would be "far right" lunatics.

Because its Trump its "fake"?

Thought misinformation was outlawed?

Are these the same clowns that back the council in the "you cant call me a cunt because im a councillor"?

How can anyone call 1 lot of trouble "Right wing looneys" but when its at the "right" its fake and a big con?

Idiots.

[BoroRedKen]

Can you imagine the grassing and the early morning door knock if i wrote this about Starmer?

This is incitement in my opinion.

"Of all of the people on the planet, if one can actually call that 'thing' a person, the orange pig is surely one of those most deserving of reaping what he has sown."

[BoroRedKen]

Know whats the worst thing about that comment?

if one can .

Pompous cunt.

 

[RiversideRifle]

Can you imagine the grassing and the early morning door knock if i wrote this about Starmer?

This is incitement in my opinion.

"Of all of the people on the planet, if one can actually call that 'thing' a person, the orange pig is surely one of those most deserving of reaping what he has sown."

Is it not sewn?

[BoroRedKen]

No i think in that context is correct.

Sown as in land not as in stitching.

 

[ZiEgE]

"You know what I mean, I could say the cruise or airport pensioners if that helps?

My point is not that you take away fuel benefit from all pensioners, just those that don't need it. I'm of an age where I know loads of pensioners and none of them need a couple of hundred quid to keep the heating on, in fact an few of them are subsidising their families with shopping and other help.

Look you can keep arguing it, but I'm a die hard socialist and my personal view is that the government, any government, should not be giving handouts for fuel bills to relatively wealthy people who don't need it."

CONTEXT.
HE REFERRED TO SOME PENSIONERS AS "GARDEN CENTRE PENSIONERS".

Must be fantastic not to have to worry about old people.

Honestly, it's like the cunts never read 1984.

They're just filled with jealousy and bitterness to the extent they'd support the party of Oceana.

Thankfully, they're just a cowardly vocal minority that wouldn't say boo to a goose on the street.

[Clem Fandango]

Everyone whines about Nazis and Fascism and the far right but apart from a small percentage of extremist nutters those are bogus accusations.  What is often characterized as "Far Right" are just centrist and/or a 'just to the right of center' moderate positions viewed from a starting point of the far left.

What the left conveniently forget is that the extremes of Communism and Marxism are just as bad and also totalitarian systems.  We are rapidly heading towards Big Brother territory as the left (who control most forms of media and already have their claws into education spreading propaganda to the young) march further and further towards an extremist position including shutting down all opposing viewpoints and protest.

They do this under the disguise of being "good kind people" when they are nothing but self-serving opportunists and hypocrites. 

Fuck the lot of them.

[Nosmo-King]

I'm waiting for a campaign to start -

Why do you as a government place illegal immigrants above pensioners in the way you treat immigrants as more deserving?

[newyddion]

Socialism works.. school, hospitals, power infrastructure, infrastructure, rail, utilities..

It all seems to go a bit haywire when private entities take over and milk the public for every penny they've got.

So we 'the public' pay for something.. then that something gets sold dirt cheap to political donors.. and we get charged over the top for something we have already paid for!

When these privatised companies start to fail.. we prop them up with even more public money!

Socialism has been made out to be a dirty word.. it just isn't.. it represents some of the very best this country.. it's made up our identity in the modern world.

Public money should go towards public services and for the benefit of the public. (Left wing politics)

Far too much public money has been poured into greedy uncompetitive companies that are not fit for purpose. It's a massive rip off.

[Nosmo-King]

See Junior Docs have settled. Over20% over 2 years. All aboard the inflation bus..........

[NIBZ]

The left are just full of hate. The real fascists. They would kill their own mothers and sisters if it meant locking the likes of Tommy Robinson up for a week(bonus if they are first to start a thread about it, even better if they get his real name in there). Take a look at the 9 stone gypos, Antifa(The irony). All that's missing is a wheelie on an electric bike. The fake ones are even worse, champagne socialists, who moved away from these hotspots the first chance they got while looking down their noses at 'normal people shouting: "Racist" every given because they are now short of someone from Sudan cleaning their fuckin shitters. This shithouse Labour party are the image of these faux socialist twats to a tea. Fuck the lot of em!

[ZiEgE]

Socialism works.. school, hospitals, power infrastructure, infrastructure, rail, utilities..

It all seems to go a bit haywire when private entities take over and milk the public for every penny they've got.

So we 'the public' pay for something.. then that something gets sold dirt cheap to political donors.. and we get charged over the top for something we have already paid for!

When these privatised companies start to fail.. we prop them up with even more public money!

Socialism has been made out to be a dirty word.. it just isn't.. it represents some of the very best this country.. it's made up our identity in the modern world.

Public money should go towards public services and for the benefit of the public. (Left wing politics)

Far too much public money has been poured into greedy uncompetitive companies that are not fit for purpose. It's a massive rip off.

It's fucking ironic that you don't even know what socialism is.

Go on, name a socialist country.

I dare ya.

[Too Much Perspective]

Socialism has been made out to be a dirty word.. it just isn't.. it represents some of the very best this country.. it's made up our identity in the modern world.

Not sure about that. If you're talking critical infrastructure - energy, water, rail at a push - and when there's a natural monopoly - there's a case for state-ownership.
Then you've got your industries of strategic importance: steel, defence, aerospace etc. No harm in state aid in cases of emergency to help them through a tight spot (within reason).
As for the next level - e.g. your manufacturers, airlines, telecoms, tech etc, nationalisation under the socialists was a shit-show. You end up with the government basically borrowing money on the international markets, to pay workers to churn out Austin Princesses, which then sit rusting on the dockside cos' no-one wants to buy them. That's pure socialism in a nutshell.   

[newyddion]

Socialism works.. school, hospitals, power infrastructure, infrastructure, rail, utilities..

It all seems to go a bit haywire when private entities take over and milk the public for every penny they've got.

So we 'the public' pay for something.. then that something gets sold dirt cheap to political donors.. and we get charged over the top for something we have already paid for!

When these privatised companies start to fail.. we prop them up with even more public money!

Socialism has been made out to be a dirty word.. it just isn't.. it represents some of the very best this country.. it's made up our identity in the modern world.

Public money should go towards public services and for the benefit of the public. (Left wing politics)

Far too much public money has been poured into greedy uncompetitive companies that are not fit for purpose. It's a massive rip off.

It's fucking ironic that you don't even know what socialism is.

Go on, name a socialist country.

I dare ya.

and why would me supposedly not knowing what socialism was be ironic?

Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources..

[newyddion]

Socialism has been made out to be a dirty word.. it just isn't.. it represents some of the very best this country.. it's made up our identity in the modern world.

Not sure about that. If you're talking critical infrastructure - energy, water, rail at a push - and when there's a natural monopoly - there's a case for state-ownership.
Then you've got your industries of strategic importance: steel, defence, aerospace etc. No harm in state aid in cases of emergency to help them through a tight spot (within reason).
As for the next level - e.g. your manufacturers, airlines, telecoms, tech etc, nationalisation under the socialists was a shit-show. You end up with the government basically borrowing money on the international markets, to pay workers to churn out Austin Princesses, which then sit rusting on the dockside cos' no-one wants to buy them. That's pure socialism in a nutshell.   

Thatcher described privatisation of rail as a privatisation too far!

I think it's only us and Chile who have privatised water supply and sanitation.. pumping untreated sewerage into our rivers is not exactly a good look for a developed country.

Italy stepped in and saved their steel industry.. we did not.

Our telecoms network like our rail network is has suffered from a lack of investment.. power generation is being outsourced I think we've looked into buying in renewable energy from norways and having Chinese financed nuclear power.. maybe we should ask the French to build us a nuclear power station?

As I've said. Socialism has been made out to be a dirty word.. and it isn't. We should be able to have a sensible conversation without some sort of American styled retort involving commies or a threat to our constitution! You know the sort of stuff that comes straight off the back of an American YouTuber harping about the same old garbage.

Did they recently step in to save their motor industry? Sometimes it suits I guess.

[ZiEgE]

Socialism works.. school, hospitals, power infrastructure, infrastructure, rail, utilities..

It all seems to go a bit haywire when private entities take over and milk the public for every penny they've got.

So we 'the public' pay for something.. then that something gets sold dirt cheap to political donors.. and we get charged over the top for something we have already paid for!

When these privatised companies start to fail.. we prop them up with even more public money!

Socialism has been made out to be a dirty word.. it just isn't.. it represents some of the very best this country.. it's made up our identity in the modern world.

Public money should go towards public services and for the benefit of the public. (Left wing politics)

Far too much public money has been poured into greedy uncompetitive companies that are not fit for purpose. It's a massive rip off.

It's fucking ironic that you don't even know what socialism is.

Go on, name a socialist country.

I dare ya.

and why would me supposedly not knowing what socialism was be ironic?

Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources..

Because you clearly don't know what it is.

You can have socialist policies without living in a socialist state. Just as every western nation on earth does.

If you want to live under socialism, I hear North Korea is nice this time of year, or perhaps Venezuela.

Oh what's that? You don't want to go?

There's another one of those big slices of irony. How all you 6th form common room Socialists are pro migration but none you would ever migrate to the socialist paradises that you seem to want to create here.

Gee, I wonder why that is?

[newyddion]

Socialism works.. school, hospitals, power infrastructure, infrastructure, rail, utilities..

It all seems to go a bit haywire when private entities take over and milk the public for every penny they've got.

So we 'the public' pay for something.. then that something gets sold dirt cheap to political donors.. and we get charged over the top for something we have already paid for!

When these privatised companies start to fail.. we prop them up with even more public money!

Socialism has been made out to be a dirty word.. it just isn't.. it represents some of the very best this country.. it's made up our identity in the modern world.

Public money should go towards public services and for the benefit of the public. (Left wing politics)

Far too much public money has been poured into greedy uncompetitive companies that are not fit for purpose. It's a massive rip off.

It's fucking ironic that you don't even know what socialism is.

Go on, name a socialist country.

I dare ya.

and why would me supposedly not knowing what socialism was be ironic?

Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources..

Because you clearly don't know what it is.

You can have socialist policies without living in a socialist state. Just as every western nation on earth does.

If you want to live under socialism, I hear North Korea is nice this time of year, or perhaps Venezuela.

Oh what's that? You don't want to go?

There's another one of those big slices of irony. How all you 6th form common room Socialists are pro migration but none you would ever migrate to the socialist paradises that you seem to want to create here.

Gee, I wonder why that is?

I've never mentioned a socialist state? North Korea? Venezuela?

Another one of those big slices of irony? Again it's not ironic in the slightest.

My 6th form common room socialists?
You've lost the plot lol

[Nosmo-King]

Those with long memories remember how successful public ownership - or nationalisation to those working old currency, I offer up British Rail.

National ownership, national disgrace.

Those not having the pleasure of living under a Labour government before? The penny will drop. And probably sooner than Starmer could envisage.

[newyddion]

Those with long memories remember how successful public ownership - or nationalisation to those working old currency, I offer up British Rail.

National ownership, national disgrace.

Those not having the pleasure of living under a Labour government before? The penny will drop. And probably sooner than Starmer could envisage.

Was British Rail that bad?

We have the most expensive rail service in Europe.. and it's not THAT good!

[Nosmo-King]

Those with long memories remember how successful public ownership - or nationalisation to those working old currency, I offer up British Rail.

National ownership, national disgrace.

Those not having the pleasure of living under a Labour government before? The penny will drop. And probably sooner than Starmer could envisage.

Was British Rail that bad?

We have the most expensive rail service in Europe.. and it's not THAT good!

Was horrendous. Unreliable, dirty trains, strike action regularly, inefficient and loss making. Little/ no investment in rolling stock. Over manned workforce at York and Derby depots ( carriage works). A shitshow barely imaginable

[newyddion]

Those with long memories remember how successful public ownership - or nationalisation to those working old currency, I offer up British Rail.

National ownership, national disgrace.

Those not having the pleasure of living under a Labour government before? The penny will drop. And probably sooner than Starmer could envisage.

Was British Rail that bad?

We have the most expensive rail service in Europe.. and it's not THAT good!

Was horrendous. Unreliable, dirty trains, strike action regularly, inefficient and loss making. Little/ no investment in rolling stock. Over manned workforce at York and Derby depots ( carriage works). A shitshow barely imaginable

Yet the nationalised lines in recent years have been ran much better?

Riding the old bone shakers suggests that there still hasn't been investment in certain rolling stock.. we still have inefficiency and the government has to step in to prop it up.. which suggests that its still loss making.. only the extortionate ticket prices go into private hands.. so we get hit with a rail service that we're paying left right and centre for and not getting value for money.

[Nosmo-King]

Those with long memories remember how successful public ownership - or nationalisation to those working old currency, I offer up British Rail.

National ownership, national disgrace.

Those not having the pleasure of living under a Labour government before? The penny will drop. And probably sooner than Starmer could envisage.

Was British Rail that bad?

We have the most expensive rail service in Europe.. and it's not THAT good!

Was horrendous. Unreliable, dirty trains, strike action regularly, inefficient and loss making. Little/ no investment in rolling stock. Over manned workforce at York and Derby depots ( carriage works). A shitshow barely imaginable

Yet the nationalised lines in recent years have been ran much better?

Riding the old bone shakers suggests that there still hasn't been investment in certain rolling stock.. we still have inefficiency and the government has to step in to prop it up.. which suggests that its still loss making.. only the extortionate ticket prices go into private hands.. so we get hit with a rail service that we're paying left right and centre for and not getting value for money.

Train drivers being overpaid in today's world exasperates the problem re cost.

[newyddion]

Those with long memories remember how successful public ownership - or nationalisation to those working old currency, I offer up British Rail.

National ownership, national disgrace.

Those not having the pleasure of living under a Labour government before? The penny will drop. And probably sooner than Starmer could envisage.

Was British Rail that bad?

We have the most expensive rail service in Europe.. and it's not THAT good!

Was horrendous. Unreliable, dirty trains, strike action regularly, inefficient and loss making. Little/ no investment in rolling stock. Over manned workforce at York and Derby depots ( carriage works). A shitshow barely imaginable

Yet the nationalised lines in recent years have been ran much better?

Riding the old bone shakers suggests that there still hasn't been investment in certain rolling stock.. we still have inefficiency and the government has to step in to prop it up.. which suggests that its still loss making.. only the extortionate ticket prices go into private hands.. so we get hit with a rail service that we're paying left right and centre for and not getting value for money.

Train drivers being overpaid in today's world exasperates the problem re cost.

I'm guessing here..

Bus driver £25k?
Coach/Lorry driver £35k?
Train driver £50k to £60k?

How many carriages does a train have compared to a bus? double, triple the wages should be easily covered.

Plus how much more expensive is a train ticket compared to a bus ticket!

[Nosmo-King]

Those with long memories remember how successful public ownership - or nationalisation to those working old currency, I offer up British Rail.

National ownership, national disgrace.

Those not having the pleasure of living under a Labour government before? The penny will drop. And probably sooner than Starmer could envisage.

Was British Rail that bad?

We have the most expensive rail service in Europe.. and it's not THAT good!

Was horrendous. Unreliable, dirty trains, strike action regularly, inefficient and loss making. Little/ no investment in rolling stock. Over manned workforce at York and Derby depots ( carriage works). A shitshow barely imaginable

Yet the nationalised lines in recent years have been ran much better?

Riding the old bone shakers suggests that there still hasn't been investment in certain rolling stock.. we still have inefficiency and the government has to step in to prop it up.. which suggests that its still loss making.. only the extortionate ticket prices go into private hands.. so we get hit with a rail service that we're paying left right and centre for and not getting value for money.

Train drivers being overpaid in today's world exasperates the problem re cost.

I'm guessing here..

Bus driver £25k?
Coach/Lorry driver £35k?
Train driver £50k to £60k?

How many carriages does a train have compared to a bus? double, triple the wages should be easily covered.

Plus how much more expensive is a train ticket compared to a bus ticket!

You're way out re train drivers. £60000 plus BEFORE the recently implemented pay deal. Indeed eith overtime they will be nearer to £100k.

Ridiculous.