The NHS

[BoroRedKen]

Is a joke.

Tims wife fell at home at 4pm yesterday. Ambulance took 1hr to arrive. You could see her wrist was shattered and could not move because of back pain.
D is 80yrs old.

I followed the ambulance to JCHU. It was now 5.30pm ish.

I left the hospital at 7am this morning when they decided to admit D.

She has multiple fractures of the wrist and 2 "popped" vertabrae.

It took over 12 hours for them to decide to admit her.
Not a fuck given that i had been sat in A+E for over 12 hours.

There were 8 ambulances off the road for over 2 hours whilst waiting to hand over patients! Because the "rules" say the ambos must hand over to a nurse DESPITE all the machine and written notes from the ambulance crew.
Im no boffin but ffs! There must be a better solution than tying up 8 ambos for that period of time surely?

Fucking coppers getting "priority" with prisonners. All druggies and fucking pissheads that have been scrapping or fell through a window on the rob!.
Meanwhile an 80yr old woman in fucking agony has to wait over 12 hours.

I am disgusted at the treatment of D and myself by the hospital. No communication. Just tannoy announcements every hour that the waiting time had gone up 2 hours. By 7 am this morning the waiting time was 9 HOURS! Despite the same number in A+E waiting not increasing for 5 hours!

Go on Streeting! Well fucking done! Give them more money but fuck the patients.🤬

[Redsteel (Moderator)]

Hope she gets well soon Ken. Unfortunately, that is one of many stories of how badly the NHS is run these days. It will only get worse until we realise that just throwing money at it, isn't the solution.

[RiversideRifle]

Without getting all political and that surely this is a problem of the last government? They had it for what 10-15 years? Hope D makes a full recovery

[fukyu]

I went one Saturday night about four years ago, full of Romanians, druggies and drunks, was their about three hours. Staff were excellent and so was the follow up.

[Redsteel (Moderator)]

Without getting all political and that surely this is a problem of the last government? They had it for what 10-15 years? Hope D makes a full recovery

It's been an issue for decades Rifle, both parties are to blame for it's decline.

[rutters]

Radical idea, but how about we go look at the best functioning services around the world and copy those?

It's just that no-one appears to be copying us.

[Francks left peg]

It's full of drunks and druggies. That's the issue. It's not too bad if you have a car to get to a and e as they prioritise the more serious cases. But the ambulances are always long waits.

[LIDDLE_TOWERS999]

WE ALL KNOW WHY ITS FUCKED AND OVERUN AND THAT'S DOWN TO LABOUR AND TONY LIAR BLAIR 👎👎👎


YOU CANNOT GET 100 PEOPLE IN TO 20 BEDS 👎👎👎

[Blott]

Or promise to build 40 new hospitals and renew over 50.

But what Boris said had to be true.

[Francks left peg]

WE ALL KNOW WHY ITS FUCKED AND OVERUN AND THAT'S DOWN TO LABOUR AND TONY LIAR BLAIR 👎👎👎


YOU CANNOT GET 100 PEOPLE IN TO 20 BEDS 👎👎👎

Thing is Lids, Tories had 13 years to turn it round. Sort out illegal immigration, sort education and the armed forces, the lack of high quality housing for lower income families and the armed forces, they did none of it. They are all as bad as each other.

[teamboro]

Or promise to build 40 new hospitals and renew over 50.

But what Boris said had to be true.

Who started the decline the Tories,who accelerated it and put the NHS in debt Labour under Blair, Brown admit it Blotty but you won't,see were I'm going both parties have ruined the NHS not just as you keep having a pop the Tories BOTH PARTIES

[Blott]

I know Ken had a bad experience, but mine are mostly very good. Under both Labour and Tories.

People get wound up at privatising the NHS, Alli care about is that it is free at the point of need.

E.g my wife was told she needed cataracts sorting in each eye. After the review she received a phone call within 3 days for an appointment in North Ormesby one week later. It took less than one hour. 2 months later the other eye.

[Francks left peg]

I know Ken had a bad experience, but mine are mostly very good. Under both Labour and Tories.

People get wound up at privatising the NHS, Alli care about is that it is free at the point of need.

E.g my wife was told she needed cataracts sorting in each eye. After the review she received a phone call within 3 days for an appointment in North Ormesby one week later. It took less than one hour. 2 months later the other eye.

The experience I have had and my family has mainly been decent for a free at the point of access service. I think it can differ hugely depending on gp practice you use, hospital that is on your doorstep etc.

[Ayton Mews]

I think once you're "in the system" the service received is generally excellent.


It's just that first port of call - whether it's getting seen in a&e or getting an initial Drs appointment - that is a massive pain in the arse and needs sorting out

[Ural Quntz]

'The NHS is doomed' has been the clarion call at each and every election since it was started

Its about time it was removed as a political football.

[Artie Fufkin]

I can understand your frustration Kenny, but the NHS is not broken, it just isn't able to function as it could and should. Partly because A&E resource is eaten up with fuckwits, as Francko alluded too

Every Trust faces a paradoxical challenge: do more with less. The 2 main issues are reducing waiting lists and financial recovery; the former is not propagated by the latter. Productivity and efficiency are high priorities but it has to be recognised that some services are as lean as they can be without compromising patient or staff safety

There is investment into capital and service transformation projects all the time and it's very common to hear that there are too many managers and non clinical staff, but what do people want? Clinicians treating patients and getting them well and back home or clinical staff delivering service improvement projects? The 2 are hand in hand, but you need support functions to enable change while clinicians treat patients. The NHS won't improve if it's just full of doctors and nurses

[Blott]

I can understand your frustration Kenny, but the NHS is not broken, it just isn't able to function as it could and should. Partly because A&E resource is eaten up with fuckwits, as Francko alluded too

Every Trust faces a paradoxical challenge: do more with less. The 2 main issues are reducing waiting lists and financial recovery; the former is not propagated by the latter. Productivity and efficiency are high priorities but it has to be recognised that some services are as lean as they can be without compromising patient or staff safety

There is investment into capital and service transformation projects all the time and it's very common to hear that there are too many managers and non clinical staff, but what do people want? Clinicians treating patients and getting them well and back home or clinical staff delivering service improvement projects? The 2 are hand in hand, but you need support functions to enable change while clinicians treat patients. The NHS won't improve if it's just full of doctors and nurses

that is a cracking post.

People say there are too many managers. 124,000 or 12 pc are managers or admin out of well over 1m employees.


Who do we expect to buy the prescriptions, do the payroll, buy the supplies, pay the bills, organise the technology, plan the programmes, check the numbers.

[erimus74]

'The NHS is doomed' has been the clarion call at each and every election since it was started

Its about time it was removed as a political football.

It is shockingly bad for people who have to wait, as it Kens & Doris case, how labour fix it, who knows, I don't think it can be fixed TBH, as rifle says its to political

I can only speak from my experience & so far mine has gone really well, one operation down, one to go & lovely due care & attention throughout

Its sad that to many poor examples are in place instead of ones that I have gone through

Speedy recovery Doris

[BoroRedKen]

I take your points.

Explain how the ambo hand over could improve without paramedics having to wait up to 2 hours therefore taking them ambos off the street?

Surely that could do with improving with all the tech available.

Also. How did "businesses" with a large employee base "cope" before computers etc?
A few in the payroll dept. 1 or 2 "gaffers" per shift.

[BoroRedKen]

'The NHS is doomed' has been the clarion call at each and every election since it was started

Its about time it was removed as a political football.

It is shockingly bad for people who have to wait, as it Kens & Doris case, how labour fix it, who knows, I don't think it can be fixed TBH, as rifle says its to political

I can only speak from my experience & so far mine has gone really well, one operation down, one to go & lovely due care & attention throughout

Its sad that to many poor examples are in place instead of ones that I have gone through

Speedy recovery Doris

And i for 1 mate could not be more happier for you E-man that you are getting the treatment, help and support the NHS can provide.

I suppose, i think it was Matty that said, its getting into the "system" in A&E that is the most difficult.
I have spent the last 18 months in and around the hospital. In nearly every dept they have. I have no issue with the nurses. I have seen them run off their feet.
I have also seen "suits" in packs going around "assessing" stuff in there. And yes being the nob i am i have "covertly" followed them whilst just hanging around.
And some of the bullshit, bluesky thinking they prattle on about is comical!

I saw a new poster last night.

"If you have ovaries and think you may be pregnant please tell the staff".
What? You mean a biological female ffs!?
How much did them posters actually cost? Ideology over medical fact!
  

[Artie Fufkin]

Ambulance paramedics don't just drop the patients off though, there is a multitude of handover requirements and assessments that need to be processed to ensure the patient gets the most appropriate and effective treatment post admission. Naturally that takes differing amounts of time based on the complexity of the patient's needs and the assessment criteria involved in doing the obs. Much of that clinical handover can't be improved simply with technology alone

Large businesses coped prior to technological developments because they had to and it is what was available at the time. NuTH for example has close to 16,000 employees which requires a huge amount of HR manpower to keep the organisation functioning; it's an extremely complicated operation and covers far more than just paying people. Operational management is also a massively complex function with competing priorities changing on an hourly basis to manage the treatment of large numbers of patients in the most effective and efficient way; that can't be done by clinical staff if we want them to focus on administering treatment

[Clem Fandango]

That is shitty treatment for anyone but particularly an old lady with a very painful broken wrist. Complications can happen easily at that age (my elderly aunt died when recovering from a broken ankle accident).  Hopefully she recovers quickly.

I support the concept of the NHS but it needs an overhaul and more funding (and pissed up scrotes in A&E should be put at the back of the line).

[In With the Lurpak]

Monkey Pox military grade psyops operation is about to be cast upon us all just like the Covid scam .

hospitals will be empty wards with  dancing TIK TOCK doctors and nurses

Don't forget to bang your saucepans at 8pm every Thursday night

[BoroRedKen]

You seem well informed Artie. (Wink!).

Its good to hear reasoning that even i can understand.

If im honest i suppose im basing a lot of my "opinions" under a dark cloud due to the last 18 months.
I am still really raw that Carmens heart op was successful but the infection killed her 4/5 months later. An infection she got from the operation.
But im reasonable enough to understand that if i want to debate the NHS i should do it objectively.
 

[BoroRedKen]

BTW its now "MPOX".

There was quite a few self referring  patients coming in wearing facemasks. Some people are still concerned.