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Enoch was right

Started by fukyu, August 09, 2024, 03:24:51 PM

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fukyu

You often hear that expression in relation to immigration from the right and as an accusation of a racist trope from the left but his speech was actually prescient if you read it fully.It wasn't him who said the Blackman will have the whip hand ( although it's in his speech). He also  picked  the wrong ethnic group in his prediction and his figures were far to low in assessing the size of the commonwealth and ex colony immigrant population in this country by  the year 2000, (the figures were past that in 1973). Of course we haven't actually got to the rivers of blood stage but Trevor Phillips (the black former head of the racial equality commission) has said  It is fomenting as a consequence of white liberal suppression of the effects of mass immigration. A prophet without honour in is own land maybe.?

Blott

Nah, he was talking shite.

Population. According to the 2021 Census, not permittedstanis in England and Wales enumerated 1,587,819 or 2.7% of the population.

newyddion

Quote from: fukyu on August 09, 2024, 03:24:51 PMYou often hear that expression in relation to immigration from the right and as an accusation of a racist trope from the left but his speech was actually prescient if you read it fully.It wasn't him who said the Blackman will have the whip hand ( although it's in his speech). He also  picked  the wrong ethnic group in his prediction and his figures were far to low in assessing the size of the commonwealth and ex colony immigrant population in this country by  the year 2000, (the figures were past that in 1973). Of course we haven't actually got to the rivers of blood stage but Trevor Phillips (the black former head of the racial equality commission) has said  It is fomenting as a consequence of white liberal suppression of the effects of mass immigration. A prophet without honour in is own land maybe.?

I agree with some things that he's said.. like how Britain is not America and how lots of British people fail to recognise this.. such is the influence of American culture we seem to take on a lot of phrases, terminologies and attitudes that simply do not apply.

America was colonised by the west but it was original part of the British empire.. of course it ceased to be when they gained independence and those colonisers set up their own country, their own constitution and they ceased to be British subjects answerable to the crown.

we still remained British subjects as part of the British commonwealth.. including pretty much half of the Africa, India, not permittedstan, Jamaica.. folks go around thinking we're America.. and we're not.

Blott

A big part of America was part of Mexico, I wonder if they will ever give it back.

newyddion

Quote from: Blott on August 09, 2024, 03:49:43 PMA big part of America was part of Mexico, I wonder if they will ever give it back.

There's been talk of splitting up the union into small more manageable parts. I don't think it will happen in my lifetime tho.


Westlane_rightwinger

Quote from: Blott on August 09, 2024, 03:33:04 PMNah, he was talking shite.

Population. According to the 2021 Census, not permittedstanis in England and Wales enumerated 1,587,819 or 2.7% of the population.

And your intellectual credentials are ? You don't even know what day of the week it is most days never mind why you went upstairs. He was lucid, you are not.

Your figures are woefully inaccurate. There's approximately that many in their rape gangs. The poll tax stung them so they don't always count all the uncles, aunties and cousins in the same dwelling.

fukyu

Quote from: Westlane_rightwinger on August 09, 2024, 04:15:59 PM
Quote from: Blott on August 09, 2024, 03:33:04 PMNah, he was talking shite.

Population. According to the 2021 Census, not permittedstanis in England and Wales enumerated 1,587,819 or 2.7% of the population.

And your intellectual credentials are ? You don't even know what day of the week it is most days never mind why you went upstairs. He was lucid, you are not.

Your figures are woefully inaccurate. There's approximately that many in their rape gangs. The poll tax stung them so they don't always count all the uncles, aunties and cousins in the same dwelling.
That figure is right for P akistani Muslims  but the total Muslim population is around 4.2 million.These are official census figures and do not include illegals.

BoroRedKen

You are just taking the piss now aint you Coulbs?.....................

Blott

Quote from: Westlane_rightwinger on August 09, 2024, 04:15:59 PM
Quote from: Blott on August 09, 2024, 03:33:04 PMNah, he was talking shite.

Population. According to the 2021 Census, not permittedstanis in England and Wales enumerated 1,587,819 or 2.7% of the population.

And your intellectual credentials are ? You don't even know what day of the week it is most days never mind why you went upstairs. He was lucid, you are not.

Your figures are woefully inaccurate. There's approximately that many in their rape gangs. The poll tax stung them so they don't always count all the uncles, aunties and cousins in the same dwelling.
Main facts and figures
according to the 2021 Census, the total population of England and Wales was 59.6 million, and 81.7% of the population was white
people from Asian ethnic groups made up the second largest percentage of the population (9.3%), followed by black (4.0%), mixed (2.9%) and other (2.1%) ethnic groups
out of the 19 ethnic groups, white British people made up the largest percentage of the population (74.4%), followed by people in the white 'other' (6.2%) and Indian (3.1%) ethnic groups

fukyu

Quote from: BoroRedKen on August 09, 2024, 04:54:22 PMYou are just taking the piss now aint you Coulbs?.....................
No it's a talking point rather than the mud slinging of the past week. Unless you mean the spelling in the post above which I used to try and differentiate the make up of a ethnic group.Although you can twist facts to suit an argument they can't be changed.

RiversideRifle

Who the fuck is Enoch? Some jock cunt no doubt  :rudi2:
UTB

teamboro

Like I keep saying people can't handle the truth your lucid,on drugs, conspiracy theories, alcoholic, weird or an idiot
TEESSIDER and Proud  of the area unlike some and I'm not a Racist

Blott

Quote from: teamboro on August 09, 2024, 05:19:45 PMLike I keep saying people can't handle the truth your lucid,on drugs, conspiracy theories, alcoholic, weird or an idiot
ok. They are from the census.

By the way I do believe that The sun is a blast furnace run on used bog paper. Not a lot of people know that

I do take statins.

Drink once a week, tonight. But now footie is back twice every fortnight.


fukyu

Quote from: teamboro on August 09, 2024, 05:19:45 PMLike I keep saying people can't handle the truth your lucid,on drugs, conspiracy theories, alcoholic, weird or an idiot
:pd:

Blott

It's always good to be always right

Too Much Perspective

Enoch was actually good mates with Tony Benn and Michael Foot.
Just goes to show that you can totally disagree with people on politics and still get on with them.
Michael Foot and Enoch Powell were both absolute giants in terms of intellect and quality of argument. When they spoke, the house was packed. Compare that to the shower we've got today.

BoroRedKen

Quote from: Too Much Perspective on August 09, 2024, 10:59:09 PMEnoch was actually good mates with Tony Benn and Michael Foot.
Just goes to show that you can totally disagree with people on politics and still get on with them.
Michael Foot and Enoch Powell were both absolute giants in terms of intellect and quality of argument. When they spoke, the house was packed. Compare that to the shower we've got today.

If i remember rightly during 1 of the TV debates they were arguing like hell but when it cut to the break you could see them laughing together?..

Too Much Perspective

One time, Enoch was giving a speech in Northern Ireland. A bomb had been put under his lectern but it didn't go off properly.
Anyway, while he was recovering, Michael Foot sent him a note which went something like "We're all thinking of you. There's bets going round to guess who's responsible; IRA, Uvf, etc. My money's on Ted Heath".

newyddion

Quote from: Too Much Perspective on August 09, 2024, 10:59:09 PMEnoch was actually good mates with Tony Benn and Michael Foot.
Just goes to show that you can totally disagree with people on politics and still get on with them.
Michael Foot and Enoch Powell were both absolute giants in terms of intellect and quality of argument. When they spoke, the house was packed. Compare that to the shower we've got today.

Tony Benn speaking about Enoch Powell

" The flag of racialism which has been hoisted in Wolverhampton is beginning to look like the one that fluttered 25 years ago over Dachau and Belsen. If we do not speak up now against the filthy and obscene racialist propaganda ... the forces of hatred will mark up their first success and mobilise their first offensive. ... Enoch Powell has emerged as the real leader of the Conservative Party. He is a far stronger character than Mr. Heath. He speaks his mind; Heath does not. The final proof of Powell's power is that Heath dare not attack him publicly, even when he says things that disgust decent Conservatives."

The Beatles wrote 'Get Back' mocking the anti immigrant views of Enoch Powell.

Powell did mention that 'some had vested interests in fostering racial and religious differences' - I would agree with that.. not in the same context as he meant it. But it is true.. a lot of the division being created and pushed out is not in the best interests of the British People.. in fact most of it comes from outside of the UK from folks without British Passports.. folks that have not interest in Britain or 'Being British'