Next England manager?

[erimus74]

For me & my limited knowledge on England manager & teams, in his 8 years as manager Southgate has done an exceptional job
I maybe wrong here, but didnt he work in & around the England set up leading up to his appointment, which sort of implies the FA had him groomed from day one & TBF, they ticked the right boxes, when you take into account his managerial record during his term in office

He was a complete novice when he was appointed at the Boro, taking his coaching badges while learning the ropes, not ideal, some will say Gibbo didnt do him any favours but Southgate is his own man, is intelligent & knew if the time was right, over his first two seasons in charge, apart from the big game FAC defeat v Cardiff, he done reasonably well with midtable PL finishes
At the start of his/our relegation season, Southgate had sold the more senior players & brought in his own & then went on record to say "this is my team now, judge me on this season", we were awful, relegation was on the cards after our initial start
So when the FA targetted Southgate I had my doubts, but with not needing to buy/sell, picking the countrys top in form players could be right down his street & it sort of panned out that way when you look at his tournament records

After the recent tournament when we stumbled out of the group stages, then again stumpled through the knockout stages to then, against all the odds, find ourselves in the final, which we just didnt turn up & if not for Pickford, would have suffered a bigger loss, we now find ourselves looking for another manager to hopefully take us to the next step/level

Looking through the list of managers we've had since Alf Ramsey then only Robson, Venables & Southgate have nearly/almost brought us success, with Southgate the most successful

Do we go down the line of experience, which we've done countless times in the past, home  grown & foreign, with very little success, do we go down the line of a shadow manager ie another Southgate
Whatever the move the FA do next then surely, with another crop of the golden generation & if it ends up with the same repeat of wash & repeat rinse, then what

When are the players going to be accountable

Since I can remember we've had really good group/individual players, yet we constantly seem to struggle against lesser teams in major tournaments

Over the years we've had big players going in to tournaments with promises of how this time it will be different, then following another disappointing tournament, not saying Southgates was disappointing but the outcome was, another enquiry of where do we go next, who do we bring in etc

Each tournament we have the alleged panel of super experts who have played the game at the highest level, won many honours with their respective clubs, with so many caps yet they too have failed to achieve anything in an England shirt, while telling us where the problems lie, who should be playing etc,

Do we just have average international players who we, as a nation, regardless as a fan, or media, constantly build up to fail
We seem to have top players playing for big clubs, winning trophies yet constantly struggle against, with all due respect, lesser level of players. Iceland & more recently Slovenia who had two 37 year old full backs & a couple of second division players, yet we looked tired, struggled to overpower them & luckily, got two goals when all seemed lost, then will Klopp/ Pep/ Mourinho/ Howe/ Potter be any different, any better than Southgate, time will tell

Its going to be interesting who the FA choose to take us forward & when we comfortably win our world cup group stages, which we will, we always do, then 2 years time will we be sat here again talking about another tournament & where did it fall down

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[newyddion]

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[rutters]

We all know that before the respective qualities and achievements of any candidate are considered they will need to confirm that they will take the knee, celebrate Pride Month and proclaim that women's football is every bit as good as the men's game.

[erimus74]

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[Ayton Mews]

No idea why Lampard and Gerrard are even being mentioned in the running. Both proven themselves to be garbage managers.

[newyddion]

No idea why Lampard and Gerrard are even being mentioned in the running. Both proven themselves to be garbage managers.

Jurgen Klopp should be the one

[Ural Quntz]

No idea why Lampard and Gerrard are even being mentioned in the running. Both proven themselves to be garbage managers.

Jurgen Klopp should be the one

He hasn't won that much......

[Johnny Thunder]

Won more than any English manager.

[Ural Quntz]

...and?

[Norman_Conquest]

We all know that before the respective qualities and achievements of any candidate are considered they will need to confirm that they will take the knee, celebrate Pride Month and proclaim that women's football is every bit as good as the men's game.

Please tell me, what would be wrong with that.

[Norman_Conquest]

Personally, I have nothing against a foreign manager being appointed but wonder how much time the British press would allow him. The England job is a poison chalice for any manager but even more so for any foreigner taking the helm. You only have to look back at how Sven and Capello got treated by them.

[Ural Quntz]

We all know that before the respective qualities and achievements of any candidate are considered they will need to confirm that they will take the knee, celebrate Pride Month and proclaim that women's football is every bit as good as the men's game.

Please tell me, what would be wrong with that.

No place for Politics in football maybe?

[Norman_Conquest]

We all know that before the respective qualities and achievements of any candidate are considered they will need to confirm that they will take the knee, celebrate Pride Month and proclaim that women's football is every bit as good as the men's game.

Please tell me, what would be wrong with that.

No place for Politics in football maybe?

I hadn't realised that women's football had become a political movement. I'm also not sure what is political about taking the knee or celebrating pride month.

I'm all for live and let live.

[newyddion]

Personally, I have nothing against a foreign manager being appointed but wonder how much time the British press would allow him. The England job is a poison chalice for any manager but even more so for any foreigner taking the helm. You only have to look back at how Sven and Capello got treated by them.

The Sun started handing Robson out badges in 1984! Venebles was hounded out! Hoddle was hounded out! Allerdyce was set up in a sting operation! Jurgen Klopp would be class! He can start off by telling the sun to fuck off!!

Where are the top English managers? Eddie Howe? Graham Potter? Sean Dyche? David Moyes? soon start scraping the barrel.

[rutters]

We all know that before the respective qualities and achievements of any candidate are considered they will need to confirm that they will take the knee, celebrate Pride Month and proclaim that women's football is every bit as good as the men's game.

Please tell me, what would be wrong with that.

You mean apart from being political, discriminatory and untrue?

[rutters]

We all know that before the respective qualities and achievements of any candidate are considered they will need to confirm that they will take the knee, celebrate Pride Month and proclaim that women's football is every bit as good as the men's game.

Please tell me, what would be wrong with that.

No place for Politics in football maybe?

I hadn't realised that women's football had become a political movement. I'm also not sure what is political about taking the knee or celebrating pride month.

I'm all for live and let live.

But BLM, LGBTQIA+ and feminism are definitely political movements.

[erimus74]

Personally, I have nothing against a foreign manager being appointed but wonder how much time the British press would allow him. The England job is a poison chalice for any manager but even more so for any foreigner taking the helm. You only have to look back at how Sven and Capello got treated by them.

The Sun started handing Robson out badges in 1984! Venebles was hounded out! Hoddle was hounded out! Allerdyce was set up in a sting operation! Jurgen Klopp would be class! He can start off by telling the sun to fuck off!!

Where are the top English managers? Eddie Howe? Graham Potter? Sean Dyche? David Moyes? soon start scraping the barrel.

Didnt realise that Newy regarding the Robson out badges, but not suprised really

The other managers proved my point

My post was in reference to the good work/record Southgate has done but also the next manager will inhert the same group of another 'golden crop' & whose to say, he'll do any better

[newyddion]

Personally, I have nothing against a foreign manager being appointed but wonder how much time the British press would allow him. The England job is a poison chalice for any manager but even more so for any foreigner taking the helm. You only have to look back at how Sven and Capello got treated by them.

The Sun started handing Robson out badges in 1984! Venebles was hounded out! Hoddle was hounded out! Allerdyce was set up in a sting operation! Jurgen Klopp would be class! He can start off by telling the sun to fuck off!!

Where are the top English managers? Eddie Howe? Graham Potter? Sean Dyche? David Moyes? soon start scraping the barrel.

Didnt realise that Newy regarding the Robson out badges, but not suprised really

The other managers proved my point

My post was in reference to the good work/record Southgate has done but also the next manager will inhert the same group of another 'golden crop' & whose to say, he'll do any better

yeah it is a poisoned chalice. Southgate did really well controlling the media and keeping them at bay. jurgen klopp's approach would be equally disarming.. probably a bit harsher with the press.

it's almost it's own job in itself.. being able to keep the press at arms length.

[erimus74]

Read OTR regarding GON & firstly, dear me, using the word hate & rat for a comment he made, bet he wouldnt be called that if he was a big player for us, so well said @Ayton Mews, but secondly & more importingly, would he be a bad shout, he done excellent at Bournemouth, saving them from the drop & carried on his good management at Wolves

Southgate had limited skills as manager & look what he achieved

[newyddion]

Read OTR regarding GON & firstly, dear me, using the word hate & rat for a comment he made, bet he wouldnt be called that if he was a big player for us, so well said @Ayton Mews, but secondly & more importantly, would he be a bad shout, he done excellent at Bournemouth, saving them from the drop & carried on his good management at Wolves

Southgate had limited skills as manager & look what he achieved

Southgate was a successful premier league manager, he kept us up for two season despite having the rug pulled from underneath him.. ultimately it was the banks that pulled the plug that cost us in the end. January deals lined up that had to be scrapped.

Lets not forget Southgate's influence as captain in those magnificent European nights.. McClaren had his eye on a job elsewhere. Three years with the England under 21s and head of elite development at the FA before that..
pretty impressive CV before his 8 years as the only England manager to get us to TWO major finals.

[erimus74]

Read OTR regarding GON & firstly, dear me, using the word hate & rat for a comment he made, bet he wouldnt be called that if he was a big player for us, so well said @Ayton Mews, but secondly & more importantly, would he be a bad shout, he done excellent at Bournemouth, saving them from the drop & carried on his good management at Wolves

Southgate had limited skills as manager & look what he achieved

Southgate was a successful premier league manager, he kept us up for two season despite having the rug pulled from underneath him.. ultimately it was the banks that pulled the plug that cost us in the end. January deals lined up that had to be scrapped.

Lets not forget Southgate's influence as captain in those magnificent European nights.. McClaren had his eye on a job elsewhere. Three years with the England under 21s and head of elite development at the FA before that..
pretty impressive CV before his 8 years as the only England manager to get us to TWO major finals.

Im not going into if he was successful or not, though the team that got relegated & in Southgates own words was his team, not the teams that stayed up in his first two seasons
So cant really see the difference betwen him & GON

[Ural Quntz]

Read OTR regarding GON & firstly, dear me, using the word hate & rat for a comment he made, bet he wouldnt be called that if he was a big player for us, so well said @Ayton Mews, but secondly & more importantly, would he be a bad shout, he done excellent at Bournemouth, saving them from the drop & carried on his good management at Wolves

Southgate had limited skills as manager & look what he achieved

Southgate was a successful premier league manager, he kept us up for two season despite having the rug pulled from underneath him.. ultimately it was the banks that pulled the plug that cost us in the end. January deals lined up that had to be scrapped.

Lets not forget Southgate's influence as captain in those magnificent European nights.. McClaren had his eye on a job elsewhere. Three years with the England under 21s and head of elite development at the FA before that..
pretty impressive CV before his 8 years as the only England manager to get us to TWO major finals.

How can I forget him getting subbed off against Steaua allowing us to go on and win the game.

Did his trademark clapping from the sidelines quite well though