Another stabbing murder in London

[BoroRedKen]

Another wasted life.

I know its 14yrs of Tory cuts etc to police etc but the time is surely coming that Sadiq Khan has to take the responsibility.

For 5 years he has done nothing to end this craziness re stabbings and murder. Constantly passes the buck.

Stop and search needs to implemented again. The racism aspect of the dissenters claims needs kicking into the long grass.

A lot of these are essentiality still "kids". Victims and perpatrators are wasting their lives for "streetcred".

Surely the time has come to do whatever it will take to stop these "kids" slaughtering each other.

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[erimus74]

Another wasted life.

I know its 14yrs of Tory cuts etc to police etc but the time is surely coming that Sadiq Khan has to take the responsibility.

For 5 years he has done nothing to end this craziness re stabbings and murder. Constantly passes the buck.

Stop and search needs to implemented again. The racism aspect of the dissenters claims needs kicking into the long grass.

A lot of these are essentiality still "kids". Victims and perpatrators are wasting their lives for "streetcred".

Surely the time has come to do whatever it will take to stop these "kids" slaughtering each other.

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[newyddion]

We need to get to the root cause of crime.. stop and search is too far down the line imo.

Education and community engagement.. these are young lads that are living in fear and have no trust in police or 'the system'

The Health and Social Care act 2010 was devastating imo and was probably the most destructive part of legislation brought in by the Lib Dem backed conservatives. Austerity went too far.. I don't believe it was the right course of action to help grow the economy and their intentions were not in the best interests of the country as a whole.

We can't just keep cutting back essential services that lead to increases in crime decline in health and then just blame it on immigration,'liebor' or Gordon brown selling off gold.

The county has lost its head. Divided beyond recognition.. and now we have folks cheering for billionaires who laugh at the thought of having working class friends and cheer at cutting public sector wages.. yet pat themselves on the back after raising their own wages!

Madness, utter madness. A managed decline and what could be described he slowest car crash in history.

[Nosmo-King]

Couldn't agree more, Ken. Those opposed to stop and search are, in my eyes, partly culpable for the situation.

10 year prison sentence for carrying a knife - lethal weapon and stop and search brought back immediately.

How many more lives have to be lost before sanity is restored?

[Nosmo-King]

We need to get to the root cause of crime.. stop and search is too far down the line imo.

Education and community engagement.. these are young lads that are living in fear and have no trust in police or 'the system'

The Health and Social Care act 2010 was devastating imo and was probably the most destructive part of legislation brought in by the Lib Dem backed conservatives. Austerity went too far.. I don't believe it was the right course of action to help grow the economy and their intentions were not in the best interests of the country as a whole.

We can't just keep cutting back essential services that lead to increases in crime decline in health and then just blame it on immigration,'liebor' or Gordon brown selling off gold.

The county has lost its head. Divided beyond recognition.. and now we have folks cheering for billionaires who laugh at the thought of having working class friends and cheer at cutting public sector wages.. yet pat themselves on the back after raising their own wages!

Madness, utter madness. A managed decline and what could be described he slowest car crash in history.

Want some root causes? One parent families. Lack of moral compass.no value on human life. More important to have street cred and gang culture. No fathers for a lot of these predominantly lads and as such broken home equates to broken lives. Belief the world owes them a living. No respect for laws of the land. Belief drugs dealing creates a lifestyle.

I'm afraid I have no time for the namby pamby liberal thinking. Always looking to aportion blame anywhere but not the perpetrators.

Ignore the issue, the killings continue. Oh bliss.........

[newyddion]

We need to get to the root cause of crime.. stop and search is too far down the line imo.

Education and community engagement.. these are young lads that are living in fear and have no trust in police or 'the system'

The Health and Social Care act 2010 was devastating imo and was probably the most destructive part of legislation brought in by the Lib Dem backed conservatives. Austerity went too far.. I don't believe it was the right course of action to help grow the economy and their intentions were not in the best interests of the country as a whole.

We can't just keep cutting back essential services that lead to increases in crime decline in health and then just blame it on immigration,'liebor' or Gordon brown selling off gold.

The county has lost its head. Divided beyond recognition.. and now we have folks cheering for billionaires who laugh at the thought of having working class friends and cheer at cutting public sector wages.. yet pat themselves on the back after raising their own wages!

Madness, utter madness. A managed decline and what could be described he slowest car crash in history.

Want some root causes? One parent families. Lack of moral compass.no value on human life. More important to have street cred and gang culture. No fathers for a lot of these predominantly lads and as such broken home equates to broken lives. Belief the world owes them a living. No respect for laws of the land. Belief drugs dealing creates a lifestyle.

I'm afraid I have no time for the namby pamby liberal thinking. Always looking to aportion blame anywhere but not the perpetrators.

Ignore the issue, the killings continue. Oh bliss.........

The issues need to be looked at. It's not a straightforward issue. Lots of contributing factors to the rise in crime and knife crime in particular.

[BoroRedKen]

"Youth Clubs" aint going to change a thing.

2k a day dealing or a game of pool down the local church hall?

Social Media is the youth clubs of today. That would be a start. Clamping down on crap like some of the TikTok videos show.

I opened my kitchen cutlery draw not long ago and was horrified by the actual weapons laying in there. Got the grinder out and cut up 95% of the knife content. All legally bought from supermarkets etc.
There is another thing to clamp down on.

[newyddion]

Couldn't agree more, Ken. Those opposed to stop and search are, in my eyes, partly culpable for the situation.

10 year prison sentence for carrying a knife - lethal weapon and stop and search brought back immediately.

How many more lives have to be lost before sanity is restored?

Stop and search and custodial sentences are all well and good. But surely we want to prevent lads from carrying in the first place.

If they are living in fear for their lives then a lager custodial sentence might not be as much as a deterrent as you'd think.

It seems like a deterrent to those who aren't carrying a knife round maybe.

[fukyu]

We need to get to the root cause of crime.. stop and search is too far down the line imo.

Education and community engagement.. these are young lads that are living in fear and have no trust in police or 'the system'

The Health and Social Care act 2010 was devastating imo and was probably the most destructive part of legislation brought in by the Lib Dem backed conservatives. Austerity went too far.. I don't believe it was the right course of action to help grow the economy and their intentions were not in the best interests of the country as a whole.

We can't just keep cutting back essential services that lead to increases in crime decline in health and then just blame it on immigration,'liebor' or Gordon brown selling off gold.

The county has lost its head. Divided beyond recognition.. and now we have folks cheering for billionaires who laugh at the thought of having working class friends and cheer at cutting public sector wages.. yet pat themselves on the back after raising their own wages!

Madness, utter madness. A managed decline and what could be described he slowest car crash in history.

My parents lived through the poverty of the 1920/30s, I worked with blokes who had went through the war as young men. I and others saw thatcher ( spit) eviscerate Teesside and the north during the eighties,we never got stabby with anyone.So take your theoretical nonsense and fuck off back to flyme.

[BoroRedKen]

Newy.

As a "victim" of a serious knife attack a number of years ago all this "funding cuts" etc is not washing.

Whilst liberals contine to argue the rights and wrongs of things like stop and search young people are killing each other. Everyday.

This supercedes any "ideology" or political "point scoring".

Its needs hands on in the communities most affected. It needs the police to be able to police without fear or favour.

Im no fan of the police. AT ALL.
But im reasonable enough to see that the polices hands are tied when it comes to this. Damned if they do and damned if they dont.

[Nosmo-King]

We need to get to the root cause of crime.. stop and search is too far down the line imo.

Education and community engagement.. these are young lads that are living in fear and have no trust in police or 'the system'

The Health and Social Care act 2010 was devastating imo and was probably the most destructive part of legislation brought in by the Lib Dem backed conservatives. Austerity went too far.. I don't believe it was the right course of action to help grow the economy and their intentions were not in the best interests of the country as a whole.

We can't just keep cutting back essential services that lead to increases in crime decline in health and then just blame it on immigration,'liebor' or Gordon brown selling off gold.

The county has lost its head. Divided beyond recognition.. and now we have folks cheering for billionaires who laugh at the thought of having working class friends and cheer at cutting public sector wages.. yet pat themselves on the back after raising their own wages!

Madness, utter madness. A managed decline and what could be described he slowest car crash in history.

Want some root causes? One parent families. Lack of moral compass.no value on human life. More important to have street cred and gang culture. No fathers for a lot of these predominantly lads and as such broken home equates to broken lives. Belief the world owes them a living. No respect for laws of the land. Belief drugs dealing creates a lifestyle.

I'm afraid I have no time for the namby pamby liberal thinking. Always looking to aportion blame anywhere but not the perpetrators.

Ignore the issue, the killings continue. Oh bliss.........

The issues need to be looked at. It's not a straightforward issue. Lots of contributing factors to the rise in crime and knife crime in particular.

Like what factors? Respect for fellow humans? The basic ability to know right from wrong? Etc etc

[newyddion]

We need to get to the root cause of crime.. stop and search is too far down the line imo.

Education and community engagement.. these are young lads that are living in fear and have no trust in police or 'the system'

The Health and Social Care act 2010 was devastating imo and was probably the most destructive part of legislation brought in by the Lib Dem backed conservatives. Austerity went too far.. I don't believe it was the right course of action to help grow the economy and their intentions were not in the best interests of the country as a whole.

We can't just keep cutting back essential services that lead to increases in crime decline in health and then just blame it on immigration,'liebor' or Gordon brown selling off gold.

The county has lost its head. Divided beyond recognition.. and now we have folks cheering for billionaires who laugh at the thought of having working class friends and cheer at cutting public sector wages.. yet pat themselves on the back after raising their own wages!

Madness, utter madness. A managed decline and what could be described he slowest car crash in history.

My parents lived through the poverty of the 1920/30s, I worked with blokes who had went through the war as young men. I and others saw thatcher ( spit) eviscerate Teesside and the north during the eighties,we never got stabby with anyone.So take your theoretical nonsense and fuck off back to flyme.

No crime on the 20s or 30s was there? Pretty sure there was crime in the 80s too. Crime increase ms with poverty.

[newyddion]

We need to get to the root cause of crime.. stop and search is too far down the line imo.

Education and community engagement.. these are young lads that are living in fear and have no trust in police or 'the system'

The Health and Social Care act 2010 was devastating imo and was probably the most destructive part of legislation brought in by the Lib Dem backed conservatives. Austerity went too far.. I don't believe it was the right course of action to help grow the economy and their intentions were not in the best interests of the country as a whole.

We can't just keep cutting back essential services that lead to increases in crime decline in health and then just blame it on immigration,'liebor' or Gordon brown selling off gold.

The county has lost its head. Divided beyond recognition.. and now we have folks cheering for billionaires who laugh at the thought of having working class friends and cheer at cutting public sector wages.. yet pat themselves on the back after raising their own wages!

Madness, utter madness. A managed decline and what could be described he slowest car crash in history.

Want some root causes? One parent families. Lack of moral compass.no value on human life. More important to have street cred and gang culture. No fathers for a lot of these predominantly lads and as such broken home equates to broken lives. Belief the world owes them a living. No respect for laws of the land. Belief drugs dealing creates a lifestyle.

I'm afraid I have no time for the namby pamby liberal thinking. Always looking to aportion blame anywhere but not the perpetrators.

Ignore the issue, the killings continue. Oh bliss.........

The issues need to be looked at. It's not a straightforward issue. Lots of contributing factors to the rise in crime and knife crime in particular.

Like what factors? Respect for fellow humans? The basic ability to know right from wrong? Etc etc

Poverty causes crime and crime causes crime.

[fukyu]

We need to get to the root cause of crime.. stop and search is too far down the line imo.

Education and community engagement.. these are young lads that are living in fear and have no trust in police or 'the system'

The Health and Social Care act 2010 was devastating imo and was probably the most destructive part of legislation brought in by the Lib Dem backed conservatives. Austerity went too far.. I don't believe it was the right course of action to help grow the economy and their intentions were not in the best interests of the country as a whole.

We can't just keep cutting back essential services that lead to increases in crime decline in health and then just blame it on immigration,'liebor' or Gordon brown selling off gold.

The county has lost its head. Divided beyond recognition.. and now we have folks cheering for billionaires who laugh at the thought of having working class friends and cheer at cutting public sector wages.. yet pat themselves on the back after raising their own wages!

Madness, utter madness. A managed decline and what could be described he slowest car crash in history.

My parents lived through the poverty of the 1920/30s, I worked with blokes who had went through the war as young men. I and others saw thatcher ( spit) eviscerate Teesside and the north during the eighties,we never got stabby with anyone.So take your theoretical nonsense and fuck off back to flyme.

No crime on the 20s or 30s was there? Pretty sure there was crime in the 80s too. Crime increase ms with poverty.

Poverty is relative,it was worse then and the crime and murder rate lower.

[BoroRedKen]

Some of the members on here grew up in Teessides "innner estates".

Some of us were from families with fuck all. Hand me down clobber etc. But we were taught some respect and, this is a key word to me in all this, discipline at home.

Yes the boom of SM is probably the worst invention of all time in gloryfying crime and killings and gang culture in modern day.

[Hound]

Does poverty really cause crime,
If that's true I guess the crime rate in the poorest countries must be through the roof.
In this and many other cases, the police will know who these fuckers are, but let's not stop people, let's not search people.
The country is getting exactly what it's wished for, fuckin rainbow painted police cars.

[Kelloe]

Does poverty really cause crime,
If that's true I guess the crime rate in the poorest countries must be through the roof.
In this and many other cases, the police will know who these fuckers are, but let's not stop people, let's not search people.
The country is getting exactly what it's wished for, fuckin rainbow painted police cars.

:carrick2:

[newyddion]

Does poverty really cause crime,
If that's true I guess the crime rate in the poorest countries must be through the roof.
In this and many other cases, the police will know who these fuckers are, but let's not stop people, let's not search people.
The country is getting exactly what it's wished for, fuckin rainbow painted police cars.

Inequality maybe but much more nuanced than that. Lots of contributory factors. Cuts in the police and social care have definitely had a negative effect.

Rainbow painted police cars!

[BoroRedKen]

How do you square Newy for example a NHS trust spending 13k on a rainbow crossing?

I know you almost sneer at these kind of complaints from us right wingers but when i read the "Tory cuts have caused this and that" then to get "laughed" at for saying 13k for a crossing or it slapped away as "DEI working" it kind of all falls into the worse kind of spending.

Drs strikes are another i get sneered at for.

I had to walk past junior Drs striking at JCUH whilst Carmen was in coma.
Tearful and scared for her and myself i was.
They were wanting more pay.
Hey thats fair enough i can understand that.
But when they were dancing and singing and recording videos and waving and cheering at cars beeping at them outside yes i was fucked off and angry with them "having a laugh".
And she died remember also........

[BoroRedKen]

A bit off topic....

Yesterday i read that 3 JSO goons were found NOT GUILTY of criminal damage DESPITE video evidence, FROM THEMSELVES, of smashing and painting windows at some banks headquarters.

How has that happened? Bearing in mind my conviction.

ACTUAL PROOF OF CRIMINAL DAMAGE. AGAINST THE LAW IN THE UK. BUT NOT GUILTY? IDEOLOGY NOT LAW NOW....

[Hound]

Never mind though,
Here comes sks, the countries knight in shining armour to come and sort all this shit out, the British expats will be flocking back in their 1000s 👍🏻

[newyddion]

How do you square Newy for example a NHS trust spending 13k on a rainbow crossing?

I know you almost sneer at these kind of complaints from us right wingers but when i read the "Tory cuts have caused this and that" then to get "laughed" at for saying 13k for a crossing or it slapped away as "DEI working" it kind of all falls into the worse kind of spending.

Drs strikes are another i get sneered at for.

I had to walk past junior Drs striking at JCUH whilst Carmen was in coma.
Tearful and scared for her and myself i was.
They were wanting more pay.
Hey thats fair enough i can understand that.
But when they were dancing and singing and recording videos and waving and cheering at cars beeping at them outside yes i was fucked off and angry with them "having a laugh".
And she died remember also........

£13k sounds pretty steep for painting a crossing. I wouldn't agree with any overspending. If the crossways need to be repainted or a crossway needs to made.. then I wouldn't be adverse to it being as a rainbow. It's a bit more colourful.. an easy way to add a bit of cheer into what would normally be a dull and depressing area for many.

£13k.. not cost effective. I'd be interested in finding out what the difference in cost is between a rainbow one and a black and white one. I imagine it comes out of the post for repairs and renewals and might even be pinching from another pot.. decoration or art or something.

The NHS should be protected, our doctors and nurses should be looked after.

I can understand the pain, hurt and suffering you must have been going through. Very difficult to see people laughing and cheering at such a moment. It was heart-breaking to see folks in wheelchairs and on drips clapping and applauding the NHS staff striking.. just showing how far removed Westminster is from normal regular people.

Here are MPs cheering blocking a pay rise for nurses in 2017

I don't want to do the thing with the graph showing MPs pay rapidly increasing or a cut and paste showing MPs earning millions of ponds a year outside of their supposed 'job' which would be representing is and looking after our interests.

[Clem Fandango]

I carry a knife every day.  To... you know... um...  cut things and use as a tool. 

I have never stabbed anyone though.  That said, if someone or something (eg coyote, mountain lion, snake, angry squirrel) attacks me, I will go at it like a Londoner.

 

[fukyu]

How do you square Newy for example a NHS trust spending 13k on a rainbow crossing?

I know you almost sneer at these kind of complaints from us right wingers but when i read the "Tory cuts have caused this and that" then to get "laughed" at for saying 13k for a crossing or it slapped away as "DEI working" it kind of all falls into the worse kind of spending.

Drs strikes are another i get sneered at for.

I had to walk past junior Drs striking at JCUH whilst Carmen was in coma.
Tearful and scared for her and myself i was.
They were wanting more pay.
Hey thats fair enough i can understand that.
But when they were dancing and singing and recording videos and waving and cheering at cars beeping at them outside yes i was fucked off and angry with them "having a laugh".
And she died remember also........

£13k sounds pretty steep for painting a crossing. I wouldn't agree with any overspending. If the crossways need to be repainted or a crossway needs to made.. then I wouldn't be adverse to it being as a rainbow. It's a bit more colourful.. an easy way to add a bit of cheer into what would normally be a dull and depressing area for many.

£13k.. not cost effective. I'd be interested in finding out what the difference in cost is between a rainbow one and a black and white one. I imagine it comes out of the post for repairs and renewals and might even be pinching from another pot.. decoration or art or something.

The NHS should be protected, our doctors and nurses should be looked after.

I can understand the pain, hurt and suffering you must have been going through. Very difficult to see people laughing and cheering at such a moment. It was heart-breaking to see folks in wheelchairs and on drips clapping and applauding the NHS staff striking.. just showing how far removed Westminster is from normal regular people.

Here are MPs cheering blocking a pay rise for nurses in 2017

I don't want to do the thing with the graph showing MPs pay rapidly increasing or a cut and paste showing MPs earning millions of ponds a year outside of their supposed 'job' which would be representing is and looking after our interests.

Load of shite, fuck off back to flyme.

[Norman_Conquest]

Before retiring I headed up a behaviour unit in a school and we carried out a lot of work on knife crime.  The lads would talk openly about carrying a knife or wanting to stab someone up because they had upset them.  A lot of it was talk but one lad's comments stuck with me.  His reasoning for carrying a knife was "You've got to use a knife before they use it on you".

Before that, I used to work for Connexions with young offenders and their families and would put a lot of interventions in place to prevent them from re-offending.  It is these grass root programmes that work in communities that help deter young people going off the rails.

All these services, along with the youth service have gone due to years of Tory cuts and there is not the support for our young people who need it.  These cuts also extend into the areas of mental health support and addiction, which tend to drive knife crime.