Russia in rag

[RiversideRifle]

Going down the owld swanny poohtin and his boys

[Ural Quntz]

[Ural Quntz]

[TerryCochranesSocks]

Russian forces in east Ukraine making advances, claim to have taken Niu-York.
Losses on both sides, it's a shame that a negotiated peace deal was scuppered by interference from the West.

[RiversideRifle]

Russia being battered by Ukraine on their own soil this morning yer love to see it 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[Ural Quntz]

Russian forces in east Ukraine making advances, claim to have taken Niu-York.
Losses on both sides, it's a shame that a negotiated peace deal was scuppered by interference from the West.

Except it wasn't

UKR told the RusNazis to fuck right off with their let's just stop fighting and we'll keep everything proposal

We don't need a crackpot replacement TC

[TerryCochranesSocks]

Read this - all of it, it's balanced.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/22/boris-johnson-ukraine-2022-peace-talks-russia

There was obviously some thinly veiled desire for continuance.

It's not crackpot to consider all evidence rather than only that which leans your way.

[Ural Quntz]

Set aside its the Guardian and its 2022 and its Boris Johnson for a moment and the most relevant part of the piece is perhaps....

Charap and Radchenko's history is not without its problems. The authors themselves – perhaps fearful of overstepping the mark – pull their punches too much when analysing why the talks failed. For the authors simply to state that multiple factors contributed to the failure of the talks is unsatisfying, given the obvious implication that Ukraine – encouraged by western backing – decided to roll the dice on the future of the conflict.

In other words the deal stank for Ukraine and it was only when they were given a promise of support to the struggle that they thought fuck this deal Putin

No deal at all = more like unconditional surrender

Russia will not quit until they are pulverised or UKR joins Nato

I'd be happy with both

[Poolielad]

Nobody as a clue who is winning or losing...... Because nobody can believe a word our media tells us.

[Blott]

If England invaded Scotland, it has far more power, military, and resource.

We then say to the Scottish Parliament leave us the borders and you can have peace. Would that be acceptable to the rest of Scotland. No they would fight to the end.

It's what is happening in the Ukraine.

[TerryCochranesSocks]

Set aside its the Guardian and its 2022 and its Boris Johnson for a moment and the most relevant part of the piece is perhaps....

Charap and Radchenko's history is not without its problems. The authors themselves – perhaps fearful of overstepping the mark – pull their punches too much when analysing why the talks failed. For the authors simply to state that multiple factors contributed to the failure of the talks is unsatisfying, given the obvious implication that Ukraine – encouraged by western backing – decided to roll the dice on the future of the conflict.

In other words the deal stank for Ukraine and it was only when they were given a promise of support to the struggle that they thought fuck this deal Putin

No deal at all = more like unconditional surrender

Russia will not quit until they are pulverised or UKR joins Nato

I'd be happy with both

Minsk 1 and 2 for the Donbas war. Same issue, outside interference.
Even a sphere has two sides Quntzy!

[Ural Quntz]

Same issue - Russia never stick to treaties

They only use the time to build up their strength for another go

The cunts need battering into oblivion

From Wiki - you wonder why UKR doesnt trust the fuckers?


The agreement failed to stop fighting.[5] At the start of January 2015, Russia sent another large batch of its regular military.[2] Following the Russian victory at Donetsk International Airport in defiance of the Protocol, Russia repeated its pattern of August 2014, invaded with fresh forces and attacked Ukrainian forces at Debaltseve, where Ukraine suffered a major defeat, and was forced to sign a Package of Measures for the Implementation of the Minsk Agreements, or Minsk II,[2] which was signed on 12 February 2015.[6] This agreement consisted of a package of measures, including a ceasefire, withdrawal of heavy weapons from the front line, release of prisoners of war, constitutional reform in Ukraine granting self-government to certain areas of Donbas and restoring control of the state border to the Ukrainian government. While fighting subsided following the agreement's signing, it never ended completely, and the agreement's provisions were never fully implemented.[7] The former German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier suggested a mechanism of granting an autonomy to Eastern Donbas only after "the OSCE certified that the local elections had followed international standards", called the Steinmeier formula.[8]

Amid rising tensions between Russia and Ukraine in early 2022, Russia officially recognised the DPR and LPR on 21 February 2022.[9] Following that decision, on 22 February 2022, Russian President Vladimir Putin declared that the Minsk agreements "no longer existed", and that Ukraine, not Russia, was to blame for their collapse.[10] Russia then launched a full invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022.[11]

[Westlane_rightwinger]

Terry: ever spent any time in Russia ?