Another big cup tie, against another big team who,let's be honest, have broken our hearts on more than one occasion, but we won the big one in the last 2-legged tie between both teams back in 1988
Following the fantastic performance that Michael Carrick, IMHO, got spot on v Aston Villa, we have to go again with the same determination, the same focus, the very same attitude & hopefully, just hopefully, we carry a bit of luck, that we'll need if we want to take something in to the 2nd leg at Stamford Bridge, a ground we haven't won at since the 25th March 1975
So the big thing is to try & stay in the game tomorrow night, big deal I know but so was the Villa game & they needed a massive slice of luck to break us down
Formation, selection, Michael Carrick will keep that close to his chest until the last minute when he hands in the teamsheet to the officials
No Rogers, no Greenwood, no McGree, no Dieng, so who will be available is anyone's guess, who will play in Rogers role, our league cup top scorer this season, who for the past 3 games has really shown us fans what he's got in his locker, another player who will be badly missed
Michael Carrick has done amazingly well in his short time at the Boro with 2 semifinals within 12 months, thought we lost the Coventry game in the first leg, lets go one better tomorrow, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee
1st January 1908 - Boro 3 Chelsea 1 the fixture on Teesside
23/8/2006 – Boro 2 Chelsea 1 – This game was 20 years to the day since we played Port Vale at Hartlepool the awful summer we came through liquidation
The next fixture on Teesside will be the 58th meeting between both teams with the following record:
Won - 25
Drew - 16
Lost - 16
Goals scored - 88
Goals against - 67
Home debut \ last appearance v Chelsea
1/1/1909 - Robert Young made his debut after moving from W H Uin October 1908. Player manager Andy Aitken made his final appearance before moving to Leicester Fosse in February - lost 4-1
9/10/1909 - Frederick Wilcox made his final appearance - lost 1-0
19/4/1913 - Donald McLeod made his final appearance -lost 3-0
22/11/1919 - John Marshall made his debut after moving from St Mirren this month - drew 0-0
23/4/1921 - Thomas Brown made his debut after joining this month. Ernest Young made his one and only appearance after joining this season. Moved to Darlington in the summer. Walter Tinsley made his last appearance before moving to Nottingham Forest in May - drew 0-0
6/3/1954 – Bill Harris made his debut after moving from Hull City this month. William Watkin made his debut after moving from Gateshead this month – drew 3-3
4/4/1978 - Peter Johnson made his debut after joining as an apprentice. David Shearer made his debut after moving from Inverness Clachnacuddin in January, scoring a brace - won 2-0
Home penalties v Chelsea
27/12/1921 Andy Nesbit Wilson was our 16th different penalty goalscorer when he scored our 28th penalty – drew 1-1
16/9/1922 George Elliott was our 13th different penalty goalscorer when he scored our 31st penalty – won 2-1
19/1/1929 Billy Pease was our 21st different penalty goalscorer when he scored our 52nd penalty – lost 5-4
24/2/1934 John Jennings was our 24th different penalty goalscorer when he scored our 68th penalty – drew 2-2
9/31963 Arthur Kaye was our 38th different penalty goalscorer when he scored our 139h penalty – won 1-0
23/9/2001 Alen Boksic was our 74th different penalty goalscorer when he scored our 226th penalty – drew 2-2
Represented for both clubs:
Darren Wood – Sold to Chelsea in n1984 for £72k
Tony McAndrew – Part of the transfer that seen Darren Wood go to Chelsea, cash plus player
Andy Nesbit Wilson
John Neal managed both teams
Ross Turnbull
Loans
Anthony Barness 1993/94 – Played the one game v Grimsby Town away in an Anglo Scottish cup tie Bolo Zenden - 36th loaned player - Loaned from Chelsea & after one season, 39 games, scoring 7 goals he was signed permanently - 14th at the Riverside - 2003/04Josh McEachran 55th loaned player - Loaned from Chelsea - 33rd at the Riverside - 2012/13
Nathaniel Chalobah - 61st loaned player - Loaned from Chelsea - 39th at the Riverside – 2013/14
Keith Omeruo - Signed for us on loan from Chelsea two seasons running - 62nd loaned player - 40th at the Riverside 2013/14 & 65th loaned player 44th at the Riverside - 2014/15
Thomas Kalas - 71st loaned player - Loaned from Chelsea over 2 seasons - 50th at the Riverside - 2014/15
Patrick Bamford - 66th loaned player - Loaned from Chelsea - 45th at the Riverside - 2014/15
Jamal Blackman – Our 46th different 1st team GK - 39th league cup debutant - 69th loaned player - Loaned from Chelsea - Scored in a penalty shoot-out league cup - 48th at the Riverside - 7th GK - 2014/15
Lewis Baker - 83rd loaned player - Loaned from Chelsea - 51st at the Riverside - 2017/18
Marcus Bettinelli Our 78th keeper - 97th loaned player - Loaned from Fulham - 64th at the Riverside - 8th GK - 2020/21
Andy Nesbit Wilson played for the Boro before & the 1st world war, scoring 57 goals in 90 appearances, 24th November 1924 he played his final Boro game, which was away to Chelsea, Boro lost 2-0
At the end of the season both Boro & Chelsea were relegated from the first division (our 1st ever relegation) & Andy was still top scorer of both clubs
Match reports v Chelsea, including match tickets v Chelsea & league cup tickets from various teams we've played in the league cup over the years
C'mon Boro!
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Off the pitch Boro all the way Oats wudda done Mariner :klippety:
On the pitch :rav: :redcard: :diego:
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Yea, I think tomorrow's game will be a lot harder than the Villa game
Great write up as always Erimus 👍Just keep our shape and concentration and maybe we might get a draw 👍
Quote from: Smoggers51 on January 08, 2024, 08:15:16 PMGreat write up as always Erimus 👍Just keep our shape and concentration and maybe we might get a draw 👍
Cheers Smoggers51, meant to put in the match report from the first leg but unable to find it 😢
Great stuff Erimus.
Another player to represent both clubs- Geremi.
I think we tried to sign him after his loan spell but he opted for Chelsea.
David Shearer, a Roy of the Rovers story.
One day playing for Calachanacullodenburn in the middle of the North Atlantic. The next scoring two goals in England's top division.
A real life Hotshot Hamish.
http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/h/hotshothamish.htm
2-0 boro
1-1
Quote from: John Trebor on January 08, 2024, 09:02:00 PMGreat stuff Erimus.
Another player to represent both clubs- Geremi.
I think we tried to sign him after his loan spell but he opted for Chelsea.
David Shearer, a Roy of the Rovers story.
One day playing for Calachanacullodenburn in the middle of the North Atlantic. The next scoring two goals in England's top division.
A real life Hotshot Hamish.
http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/h/hotshothamish.htm
Cheers John Trebor
Great shout with Geremi, very good loan signing too
Sure when we loaned him from Chelsea he scored the only goal of the game at the Riverside
Gonna be fucking freezing at the ground tonight...few pints in The Pig and a Balti pie at the ground might help
UTB
I hate Chelsea
They will dominate possession, lets just hope they continue to be wasteful in front of goal. Sterling and Palmer will be the obvious threats, keep them two quiet and we have a shot.
Hope the atmosphere is electric. They don't have many leaders in that team, lets get at them and try and nick a 1-0
I hate Chelsea
1-3
Has it been announced as a sell out yet?
just looked online and it appears theres no tickets left....
Boro 2 - 1 Pensioners
Quote from: tunstall on January 09, 2024, 10:54:25 AMHas it been announced as a sell out yet?
just looked online and it appears theres no tickets left....
Brilliant, the fans have bought in to this, hopefully we get the rub of the green, big slice of cup luck, a long overdue payback to Chelsea & another nostalgic night to remember down at the Riverside
Quote from: tunstall on January 09, 2024, 10:54:25 AMHas it been announced as a sell out yet?
just looked online and it appears theres no tickets left....
Officially sold out tuns
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Nice one
UTB
A sell out tonight.Should be a great atmosphere. Can't wait !! Bring it on !!!UTMB!!!
I'm in the Pig iron just now.
Windmilling about to commence.
4 hours to go
There's only oneeeee Steve Gibson 🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶
8-1
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Some great memories evoked with your opening post Erimus. Brilliant stuff.
We owe this lot tonight a beating -
On the pitch, of course!
Very ambitious prediction 2-1 to us. UTB
My days of doing what I want when I want are sadly over, for at least another 2 years anyway. So I will be watching on the bottom of a computer screen, at least 2 minutes after the end t.
2 - 0.
UTB
0-2 to the rent boys I'm afraid hope I'm wrong and we put up a good display like Saturday
Quote from: Nosmo-King on January 09, 2024, 05:22:49 PMSome great memories evoked with your opening post Erimus. Brilliant stuff.
We owe this lot tonight a beating -
On the pitch, of course!
Very ambitious prediction 2-1 to us. UTB
Cheers Nosmo-king 👍
Leaving shortly, really excited
Give it your best shot Boro
C'mon Boro!
Hackney 1-0💪💪💪💪💪
1/4 time; Rose tinted, ra ras 1 realists 0
Great write up Erimus I don't know how you do it.
Erimus will be bouncing 1-0 mighty Reds
1/2 time .....
Nowt better than rose tinted glasses
Gerrin there even with the C-Team 👍
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Great result. Will be a tricky task down at the Bridge.
Get the fuck innnnnnn
Quote from: Blott on January 09, 2024, 09:01:23 PM1/4 time; Rose tinted, ra ras 1 realists 0
Great write up Erimus I don't know how you do it.
Cheers Blotty
Didn't see the game as I'm at work but that is a fucking cracking result.
I don't think we'll get away with that performance in the second leg but if they do, let's hope it's Fulham in the final.
Get up Boro👍👍👍
I was as surprised that Matt Clarke wasn't in the starting line-up as I was about all those raving about Bangura's ordinary performance against Aston Villa. So fate dealt us a helping hand when the latter went off injured tonight. Clarke was solid yet again, whilst Engel's joint motm performance (with Fry) at left wing-back forced them to withdraw Madueke - who was their biggest threat imo.
Quote from: teamboro on January 09, 2024, 09:57:46 PMErimus will be bouncing 1-0 mighty Reds
Absolutely teamboro, that performance & result, considering our plan went out the window after 4 minute then to bed after 20 minutes, was as good as I've seen at the Riverside & thats taking in the european special nights
The crowd were awesome tonight, the players each & everyone were special, no MOTM for me, as a team we were united, together & a special night under the lights
Great win and terrific performance-Clarke,Engels and Fry competing for MoM
But I am still pissed off as my mate was meant to get tickets for second leg but stupid Coont forgot and they are now sold out😕
If anyone selling any let me know
Ooooooo me fucking head
:monkeyman4:
Looking forward to the 2nd leg. Will be my first visit to Stamford Bridge i missed the Play off game for some reason despite going to most away games at the time.
What an atmosphere last night. RF put on a great display and all 4 stands got behind the lads.Going to be great at Stamford Bridge 👍The lads showed heart, guts and determination last night. Bring on Millwall next,
UTMB!!!!
Bouncing, bouncing bouncing this morning, my voice is struggling
So proud with each & every player last night, IMHO, we had a small chance of keeping the second leg intetesting but dear me, if all 11 players who started had stayed on the pitch we'd have put the tie to bed
I'm still pissed here
Fucking chuffed to bits
UTB
Proud of the team last night. So much pleasure in beating Chelsea, horrible club.
Rode our luck a little, especially in the first half but we put a fantastic shift in.
Like Villa, plenty of possession but they wernt good enough to score
Lets not forget, our game plan eent out the window after 4 minutes then fell off the cliff after 20
I think they were lucky we didnt keep our full team on out there, we'd be looking at the final now
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Hope this comes across ok, what a night been a Boro fan
Quote from: erimus74 on January 10, 2024, 09:16:53 AMhttps://photos.app.goo.gl/hgmqEJ3uyaYbuAw3A
Hoe this comes across ok, what a night been a Boro fan
Brilliant mate!
Apart from Stirling & the petulant Cole, due to my work mate talking about Chelsea signing him from Man City I didn't know one other Chelsea player, the subs they brought on last night, again, never heard of any of them, most likely one of those subs will have cost more than our entire squad, not team, squad
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/middlesbrough-player-ratings-vs-chelsea-28418394?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
Quote from: Bud Wiser on January 09, 2024, 11:15:28 PMI was as surprised that Matt Clarke wasn't in the starting line-up as I was about all those raving about Bangura's ordinary performance against Aston Villa. So fate dealt us a helping hand when the latter went off injured tonight. Clarke was solid yet again, whilst Engel's joint motm performance (with Fry) at left wing-back forced them to withdraw Madueke - who was their biggest threat imo.
I have no false teeth in to bite.
Quote from: Blott on January 10, 2024, 01:35:54 PMQuote from: Bud Wiser on January 09, 2024, 11:15:28 PMI was as surprised that Matt Clarke wasn't in the starting line-up as I was about all those raving about Bangura's ordinary performance against Aston Villa. So fate dealt us a helping hand when the latter went off injured tonight. Clarke was solid yet again, whilst Engel's joint motm performance (with Fry) at left wing-back forced them to withdraw Madueke - who was their biggest threat imo.
I have no false teeth in to bite.
😁
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Quote from: teamboro on January 09, 2024, 08:40:54 PMHackney 1-0💪💪💪💪💪
https://twitter.com/i/status/1744873228466622813
Spamming cunt.
:leo:
Quote from: Blott on January 10, 2024, 01:35:54 PMQuote from: Bud Wiser on January 09, 2024, 11:15:28 PMI was as surprised that Matt Clarke wasn't in the starting line-up as I was about all those raving about Bangura's ordinary performance against Aston Villa. So fate dealt us a helping hand when the latter went off injured tonight. Clarke was solid yet again, whilst Engel's joint motm performance (with Fry) at left wing-back forced them to withdraw Madueke - who was their biggest threat imo.
I have no false teeth in to bite.
What a pity. I only post on here to pull your strings. Honest.
Should have got over a ton in replies this thread . I read the Shed End forum they are fucking livid :leo:
Quote from: In With the Lurpak on January 10, 2024, 05:52:59 PMShould have got over a ton in replies this thread . I read the Shed End forum they are fucking livid :leo:
How do you get to that forum lurpak
Watched one of their lads on YouTube and it was funny
His mate reminded me of that psycho from Peaky Blinders, Arthur Shelby
They were all raging about their performance
He had a few nice words to say about the Boro though
UTB
Quote from: borope on January 10, 2024, 07:24:50 AMLooking forward to the 2nd leg. Will be my first visit to Stamford Bridge i missed the Play off game for some reason despite going to most away games at the time.
See yer there pe 👍👍👍👍👍
Quote from: erimus74 on January 10, 2024, 05:54:44 PMQuote from: In With the Lurpak on January 10, 2024, 05:52:59 PMShould have got over a ton in replies this thread . I read the Shed End forum they are fucking livid :leo:
How do you get to that forum lurpak
https://www.theshedend.com/forum/42-cocos-chelsea-fc-match-chat/ (https://www.theshedend.com/forum/42-cocos-chelsea-fc-match-chat/)
Read through the entire Boro v Chelsea thread Lurpak, so thanks for that, but apart from a couple of mentions on our 14 players injury list & not one mention of the two playets leaving the field within 20 minutes & the odd well done Boro, the rest was about them being rubbish & the toys throwing out of the pram
This great club of our with all our trophies, hete pal, you wete lucky to have a Russian who had billions to bankroll your club to buy trophies, now hes gone youre drifting back to whete you were before the Russian, midtable
Erimus ,This might amuse you,one of my godsons lives in Warnambool( near Melbourne) and it made their local news and paper.Glover used to play for Melbourne.