Well here we are again, a quick turnaround when we find ourselves back in championship football as these games come thick & fast with no time for feeling sorry for ourselves & so on the back of another away defeat we see ourselves facing fellow strugglers & newly promoted Sheff Weds at Hillsborough
Sheff Weds sit one place above us, on a single point like us, but minus 6 goals, as opposed to our minus 9 & having lost at home to fellow promotion winners Ipswich Town last Saturday then IMHO, this represents another game, when the Boro are trying to find their fit, to get our 1st win of the season
With the following comments from Sheff Weds manager Xisco Munoz on Saturday, it gives us hope that we will create chances, its putting them away that has been our fall down this season "All I can say is sorry (to the fans) because I'm very, very disappointed about the first 45 minutes. After that, the team had a good reaction, but not enough."For me, we need to give for 90 minutes the same level and the same intensity."I can say 'so sorry' to the fans today because I was very, very frustrated about the first half. If we don't change, it is impossible to take the points because the Championship is a very, very, very high level."
But 3 defeats on our travels, with 3 goals scored & 9 conceded speaks for itself, we cant continue to leak goals no matter how many chances we create, it doesn't bode well if our aspirations are to mount a serious promotion challenge, far from it, but Michael Carrick can see positive signs in our play so hopefully, fingers crossed, we can turn this around & prove his comments right
The championship is the best league in the world, if you set your teams up right, well drilled & organised then you are half way there in having a decent season, show any weakness & teams will outbattle you, the fortunate thing is, strikers at this level will not always capitalize on teams mistakes, as we have witnessed at both ends of the pitch just this season
I'm going with the same team that started against Blackburn, even though Blackburn could & should have been well clear by the time we scored we still had 21 shots at goal, to their 18 & 6 on target, to their 8, so small margins I know but we have to have something to cling onto
I'll put my head on the block & predict a 3-1 Boro win, with a brace from Latte, he has to start doing the goods, he's getting enough opportunities, just show more composure when running in on goal
16th February 1895 - Our 1st away fixture to Sheff Weds sen us get battered 6-1 in an FAC 2nd round game
28th April 1900 - Our 1st league game away to Sheff Weds was no better, with us losing this game 3-0
We've had a few mixed results in these Sheff Weds v Boro fixtures, with this been the 55th fixture in South Yorkshire with the following record:
Won - 15
Drew - 5
Lost - 34
Goals scored - 63
Goals against - 103
We've only played out one 0-0 draw away to Sheff Weds
No away hat tricks v Sheff Weds
Debuts away to Sheff Weds
13/9/1902 - John Hogg - lost 2-1
5/9/1903 - Edward Gettings, William White, Alex Brown & Samule Aitken - lost 4-1
16/9/1905 - Thomas Murray - lost 3-0
1/9/1914 - Archibald Wilson - lost 3-1
30/8/1919 - Charles Dixon, William Ellerington, William Fox & John Curtis -won 1-0
25/1/1932 - Edward Marcroft - scored on debut - drew 1-1
13/12/1958 - Ray Yeoman - lost 2-0
8/12/1973 - Jimmy Cochrane - drew 2-2
28/8/1982 - Mick Kenney - lost 3-1
1/5/1992 - Andy Collett - Our 50th used goalkeeper - drew 3-3
1/3/1997 - Ben Roberts - Our 54th used goalkeeper - lost 3-1
26/12/1999 - Carlos Maranelli - lost 1-0
4/5/2013 - Christian Burgess - Only the one game, 58th different Boro player to only play the one game then gone - lost 2-0
1/3/2014 - Thomas Mejias - 64th loaned player - Loaned from Real Madrid B - 43rd at the Riverside
Some who have represented Boro & Sheff Weds, though IMHO, most famously is the main one
John Hickton, signed from Sheff Weds in 1966
Jack Charlton managed both teams
Robbie Mustoe
Mark Proctor
David Hodgson
Ian Bailey
Darren Wood
Nigel Pearson
Eric McMordie
Adam Reach
Jordon Rhodes
My 2nd ever away game was Sheffield Wednesday v Boro 1972.
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Wasn't Eddie Holliday signed from Wednesday the second time round?
I remember as a young un seeing 'Boro sign England Winger' on a Gazette news board and rushing into buy and find out which top signing we'd made
It was of course slightly disappointing to find who it was.
Good player in his time and part of that amazing forward line of Day, McLean, Clough, Peacock, Holliday
At least 3 of them England Internationals and we still couldn't get over the line
Maybe due to the bent defenders we had then letting them in at the other end?
0-5
UTFB!
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We'll win a scrappy affair
Wednesday 3 Boro 6
Erimus - Viv Anderson also played for both teams
I personally think we'll get dicked three nil
Quote from: TommyDickfingers on September 18, 2023, 08:21:02 PMWe'll win a scrappy affair
Wednesday 3 Boro 6
You know what Tommy, as daft as it sounds, if Carricks strike force strike gold & lets face it we've had the chaces, I can games panning out like that
It's battle of the turds on Tuesday - can't see where the next point is at the moment
Quote from: erimus74 on September 18, 2023, 08:33:16 PMQuote from: TommyDickfingers on September 18, 2023, 08:21:02 PMWe'll win a scrappy affair
Wednesday 3 Boro 6
You know what Tommy, as daft as it sounds, if Carricks strike force strike gold & lets face it we've had the chaces, I can games panning out like that
Erimus your match posts are legendary but there's more chance of striking gold in eston hills than our lot putting away their chances
Never rated any of the Sheffield clubs and Wednesday seem to have more hype than the other lot. Obvious affection for the crumbling Hillsbrough but other than that if can't bear this shower of shite it will be destination Division 3
Wednesday 2-1 Boro
Quote from: TommyDickfingers on September 18, 2023, 08:38:51 PMQuote from: erimus74 on September 18, 2023, 08:33:16 PMQuote from: TommyDickfingers on September 18, 2023, 08:21:02 PMWe'll win a scrappy affair
Wednesday 3 Boro 6
You know what Tommy, as daft as it sounds, if Carricks strike force strike gold & lets face it we've had the chaces, I can games panning out like that
Erimus your match posts are legendary but there's more chance of striking gold in eston hills than our lot putting away their chances
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Quote from: tunstall on September 18, 2023, 08:31:49 PMErimus - Viv Anderson also played for both teams
I personally think we'll get dicked three nil
great shout tunstall 👍
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Sheff Wed 1 Boro 2
WENDY'S 3 BORO 0 🙄🙄🙄
MCGREE AND COBURN SHOULD BOTH BE STARTING BUT THE SILLY CUNT WON'T 😡😡😡
Tidied up.
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1-3
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Sheff wed 2-1 Boro
Another defeat I'm afraid one were on Sky,2 we are shite all over and finally we are shite 😁😁😁😁😁
Prove me wrong Mighty Reds
A tricky ground for us this one - it is fair to say Sheff Wed is a bit of a sleeping giant. In the right ownership hands and in the premier league for a few stable years - they could kick on - as could many others. More now a busted flush, I would say, as opposed to any of that happening.
Im going Boro to win but wouldn't be surprised to see a draw played out which helps no side on the face of things but does ease the pressure a tad on Carrick.
0.2 to Boro! Latte Lath to start things off with the first.
CMON BORO!!
Quote from: Mike Peeler on September 19, 2023, 08:05:01 AMA tricky ground for us this one - it is fair to say Sheff Wed is a bit of a sleeping giant. In the right ownership hands and in the premier league for a few stable years - they could kick on - as could many others. More now a busted flush, I would say, as opposed to any of that happening.
Im going Boro to win but wouldn't be surprised to see a draw played out which helps no side on the face of things but does ease the pressure a tad on Carrick.
0.2 to Boro! Latte Lath to start things off with the first.
CMON BORO!!
Not a chance we will keep a clean sheet.
Quote from: TommyDickfingers on September 19, 2023, 08:25:57 AMQuote from: Mike Peeler on September 19, 2023, 08:05:01 AMA tricky ground for us this one - it is fair to say Sheff Wed is a bit of a sleeping giant. In the right ownership hands and in the premier league for a few stable years - they could kick on - as could many others. More now a busted flush, I would say, as opposed to any of that happening.
Im going Boro to win but wouldn't be surprised to see a draw played out which helps no side on the face of things but does ease the pressure a tad on Carrick.
0.2 to Boro! Latte Lath to start things off with the first.
CMON BORO!!
Not a chance we will keep a clean sheet.
Its the only chance I see in us getting a win is keeping a clean sheet along with it. :rav:
No change in style and tactics, now firmly sussed by all opposition equals another defeat for me.
Carrick either changes or will be dismissed. Record since April is abysmal and if the run of results continues there is no other viable conclusion.
I was all for his appointment- initially it looked to be brilliant. However in recent months it has gone badly, badly wrong- and the stubbornness is costing us, mind a poor playing staff doesn't help!
Quote from: Nosmo-King on September 19, 2023, 10:55:25 AMNo change in style and tactics, now firmly sussed by all opposition equals another defeat for me.
Carrick either changes or will be dismissed. Record since April is abysmal and if the run of results continues there is no other viable conclusion.
I was all for his appointment- initially it looked to be brilliant. However in recent months it has gone badly, badly wrong- and the stubbornness is costing us, mind a poor playing staff doesn't help!
Have faith, I've got a feeling it'll click tonight and we'll win 0-0
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Oh Tommy you are such an optimist!!0-0 I would take at this stage- prepared for a snooze fest!!!
A clean sheet would feel like a victory
Quote from: Ural Quntz (Moderator) on September 18, 2023, 07:10:44 PMWasn't Eddie Holliday signed from Wednesday the second time round?
I remember as a young un seeing 'Boro sign England Winger' on a Gazette news board and rushing into buy and find out which top signing we'd made
It was of course slightly disappointing to find who it was.
Good player in his time and part of that amazing forward line of Day, McLean, Clough, Peacock, Holliday
At least 3 of them England Internationals and we still couldn't get over the line
Maybe due to the bent defenders we had then letting them in at the other end?
Cracking shout Ural, according to my stats he was the 1st Boro player to be sold & then return back at the Boro, played for us between 57-62, went to Sheff Weds from 62-65 then back to the Boro for one season, 65-66
Were awaiting the results of the scan on Alex Bangura's injury, I thought he done quite well on saturday & was hoping after going off v Blackburn that he would ok for tonight, but it looks as though he's not going to make it, seems as though Lukas Engel will be making a quick return should Bangura not make it
I WONT BE PUTTING THE TEAM UP TONIGHT SOMEONE ELSE WILL HAVE TOO... 6 HOURS IN FRONT HERE AND HAVE TO BE UP AT 6 IN THE MORNING FOR ME BREAKFAST AND TAXI TO THE AIRPORT 😪😪😪
IT'S BEEN A BLAST 👍😎👍🌞🇹🇭🥃🍺🍺🍺🥃😜
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When is Alex Gilbert going to be given a chance, he's an attacking midfielder who, due to him been an under 21, we paid £1m for when we signed him from Brentford, he chose the Boro over a number of interested clubs after he was offered a new deal with Brentford, Gilbert felt he needed a new challenge that would give him a realistic chance of playing regular first-team football next season, surely he's considered good enough, our 1st summer recruit & just sits on the bench
Just read in the gazette regarding Gilbert
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alex-gilbert-middlesbrough-absence-carrick-27742537
Quote from: erimus74 on September 18, 2023, 09:58:29 PMI was there that night
One of my favourite games from one of my favourite seasons.
Just over 2 hours to go
C'mon Boro!
Can someone post the team as soon as you can 👌
Wonder if there any suprises!
Desperate for a win - fed up of feeling peed off after our games this season!
Quote from: erimus74 on September 19, 2023, 05:30:48 PMJust over 2 hours to go
C'mon Boro!
Can someone post the team as soon as you can 👌
Wonder if there any suprises!
Woodgate centre half
Carrick, Leadbitter recalled to the midfield.
Danksy is in the hole playing a No10 role.
The rest started Saturday's defeat.
Quote from: tunstall on September 19, 2023, 05:50:39 PMQuote from: erimus74 on September 19, 2023, 05:30:48 PMJust over 2 hours to go
C'mon Boro!
Can someone post the team as soon as you can 👌
Wonder if there any suprises!
Woodgate centre half
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Quote from: Mike Peeler on September 19, 2023, 05:57:16 PMCarrick, Leadbitter recalled to the midfield.
Danksy is in the hole playing a No10 role.
The rest started Saturday's defeat.
Carrick & Leadbitter tops, but is Danksy any good?
Optimistic me says 3-1 Boro win
Realistic me says 2-0 Wednesday win
Will Coburn get his chance, for me he has to be given a chance, he keeps persevering with both Roger's & Crooks who shouldnt be 1st team starters
Maybe Coburn for Crooks, Latte as No10, cant be any worse than we have done & keep Rogers away from the bus so he cant travel
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Yes Coburn start, the very team he scored against onn his home debut, fingers crossed he does the business
Also McGree starting 👍
Is it on the IPTV Lad's?
Time to hit the bookies in the nuts with a Middlesbrough win. Bets placed.
Single @50/1
Riley McGree, Middlesbrough 2-0
First Goal Scorer, Correct Score / Sheff Wed v Middlesbrough
Single @40/1
Josh Coburn, Middlesbrough 2-0
First Goal Scorer, Correct Score / Sheff Wed v Middlesbrough
Single @16/1
Dael Fry
Anytime Goalscorer / Sheff Wed v Middlesbrough
Single @23/10
Josh Coburn
Anytime Goalscorer / Sheff Wed v Middlesbrough....
Single @11/2
Emmanuel Latte Lath
Last Goal Scorer / Sheff Wed v Middlesbrough
Remember only bet what you can afford to lose folks. :cheers:
FOLLOW FOLLOW FOLLOW!!! :leo1:
Having a pint in the ground now . Looks like a good away crowd again. There seems to be a quiet optimism among the lads that we are going to win tonight.Me I'm going for 2-1 to us .UTMB !!!
Quote from: AtomicDog on September 19, 2023, 07:08:40 PMIs it on the IPTV Lad's?
Yes it's on sky so it will be on ifollow as well as sky channels
Quote from: tunstall on September 19, 2023, 07:14:21 PMQuote from: AtomicDog on September 19, 2023, 07:08:40 PMIs it on the IPTV Lad's?
Yes
It's on Sky isn't it?
F**k knows I ain't got a TV licence, never mind sky you posh c**t.
I'll have a look,
Thanks Lad
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Quote from: AtomicDog on September 19, 2023, 07:08:40 PMIs it on the IPTV Lad's?
These often do it for me Mr.AD if I am out and about and away from a TV. not always like but 90% of the times without issues
All the sky channels are on IPTV plus i-follow....so should find it somewhere
Fletcher starts for Wednesday, now we have to score to at least get a point
Im a massive Howson fan & mentioned he was the player we need to replace due to the fact hes so reliable, consistent, players look to him but this season hes been caught wanting, we need to look elswhere hes had an excellent time here but we need new blood in there
Off-topic, sorry Erimus - Michelle Owen Sky presenter - nice pair of tits on her - It's a buck from me. :buck: :thrapp:
Thanks Lad's, I think I'm sorted.
Next door have got it on in the conservatory.
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I just hope he's finished backscuttling their lass and moves out of the way of the telly before kick off.
He doesn't usually last this long?
I'm not a vouyer by the way
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C'mon Boro!
Come on Lad's!
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UTB
Absolute shite
So, so easy, we still havent played a top 6 team yet
Van Den Berg a RB?
Silvera?
CARRICK???
We are Knopflered (In Dire Straits!)...
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Engel is getting roasted every time.
Silvera shocking.
Relegation incoming
Our forward passing is piss poor
Quote from: tunstall on September 19, 2023, 08:51:19 PMOur forward passing is piss poor
Its worse! Its invisible.
Silvera's got a first touch like Peter Sutcliffe
That left back looks like he's never played football before
We are ridiculously easy to play against. Pish poor and not seeing any signs results will improve. Sorry Michael, good luck wherever you go but time to move on. The team is bereft of ideas, talent, application JUST GO NOW
The amount of times we've had possession in midfield and passed it back to them is unbelievable.
Both full backs fucking dog shit.
Crooks and Coburn up front....just fuck off.
Silvera has the same touch that Fred West had with a spade.
Apart from that I thought it was fairly even.
Im lost for words, we truly are awful, our recruitment has been non league standard
People bang on about Gibson, Gibson has given the money for the supposedly knowledgeable people at the club to bring players in that we need
Is Engle really better than Coulson
Is Silvera worthy of a start
The forwards are been starved of anything so for me blameless but the rest, dear me, its awful to watch
We've not played a top team & deservedly bottom
I can see Latte starting tge 2nd half for Crooks with Jobes for Silvera, we havevto put there back line under pressure
Theyre finding space to easy
Engle is up against a quick player but still wasteful when in possession
What was Silvera doing there
A lot better Boro
That Silvera isn't impressing me at all so far this season.
And Crooks is shite.
Quote from: RaZor Ramon on September 19, 2023, 09:44:33 PMThat Silvera isn't impressing me at all so far this season.
And Crooks is shite.
Crooks must have had his feet swapped over as a child..
Utter garbage of a footballer
Can I also add it's blatantly obvious that Hackney's head has been turned either by his agent or his clique of friends. Not the same player as last season.
Do like the look of that O'Brien though, least he's looking to make something happen when he gets the ball.
And Bannan is a chewy little cock.
Is he safe I didn't get to watch?
McGree done nothing wrong to be brought off & how Silvers & Crooks stay on the pitch for so long is beond me
Did Greenwood only touch the bal the once when he ballooned the fre kick over the bar
2 of the wost teams I've seen this season
Well, I guess its up to me to show some Carrick-esque style positivity...
Only 48 more points needed to secure safety! :carrick4:
Quote from: Bud Wiser on September 19, 2023, 10:08:07 PMWell, I guess its up to me to show some Carrick-esque style positivity...
Only 48 more points needed to secure safety! :carrick4:
Also Bud, we could still have Fletcher on our books, 2 plusses
Southampton have lost 3 on the bounce now, wonder who they play next, :ponder:
Once again crap, with a side serving of crap, followed by crap for dessert 😵�💫 Engel and Silvera would probably be out of their depth in Boro ladies side 😁
Fucking shite that like
And Sky can fuck off as well, in the studio they had an ex Sheff Wed manager and an ex player, wankers
Well that was a turn up for the book's wasn't it?
Who would have thought that while I was doing My patrol, ambling in the garden, I've been locked out!
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But don't worry as an act of solidarity, whilst you're laying in your warm 20 tog quilts.
I shall be doing my own rooftop protest!
It's not only you that follows a rubbish team.
In the meantime I'll shall have to listen to some music, to soothe my heartache:
I do hope they let Me back in before LK starts tomorrow, I've heard the new DR Who is on.
If I'm still here when Doctors starts, I'm off, going to that London!
It's just a blip boy's, nothing we're not use too.
DEEP IN MY HEAT I DO BELIEVE
Up the Boro
Be Lucky
AD
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Gibson will get the blame for all this, its the easy option, yet did Gibson allow Silvera to run around aimlessly for 88 minutes before been subbed, he should have gone off at HT, did Gibson decide to bring on another project in the making when Rogers came on, what did Greenwood do when he replaced McGree, ballooned a free kick over the or, Crooks is well, just awful
Lattee has missed numerous scoring opportunities this season but against an awful, tiring Wednesday back line with his energy & constant running he would have made the same impact as Jones did, but what did Carrick do, he brought on Rogers when the game had died on its feet, a win would have taken us out of the bottom 3
Soon the games will come thick & fast against the teams who have aspirations to target a top 6 finish, we've had an easy half dozen or so games & struggled in everyone
I mentioned OTR that Warnock saved us when he came in following Woodgates time, posters said, any decent manager would have kept us up, well fans were worried we would lose Carrick during the summer, I wasnt he done well but he needed to do well over 18 months, well our present team, selection, performances, defending is getting worse by the week
Quote from: AtomicDog on September 19, 2023, 10:16:43 PMWell that was a turn up for the book's wasn't it?
Who would have thought that while I was doing My patrol, ambling in the garden, I've been locked out!
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But don't worry as an act of solidarity, whilst you're laying in your warm 20 tog quilts.
I shall be doing my own rooftop protest!
It's not only you that follows a rubbish team.
In the meantime I'll shall have to listen to some music, to soothe my heartache:
I do hope they let Me back in before LK starts tomorrow, I've heard the new DR Who is on.
If I'm still here when Doctors starts, I'm off, going to that London!
It's just a blip boy's, nothing we're not use too.
DEEP IN MY HEAT I DO BELIEVE
Up the Boro
Be Lucky
AD
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Great song Atomic
And dont get me starting on VDB taking throwins, he gets away with it each time but refs will start pulling him up on it, the bad days of Barragan :unbelievable:
Anyway off to bed, up early work in the morning
Another positve from tonight, we're now unbeaten, one game run
I'M FUCKING GLAD I WAS ASLEEP AND NEVER HAD TO WATCH THAT FUCKING DROSS 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
TOLD YOU ALL BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED THERE IS JUST SOMETHING NOT RIGHT AT THIS CLUB AND WE KNOW WHO SHOULD REALLY BE LEAVING... THE RECRUITMENT TEAM HAVE BROUGHT IN UTTER DOGSHIT 💩💩💩😡😡😡
Right after a good nights kip & going over last night's match im still under the same opinion, I was watching the worst two teams in the championship last night, yes the table shows we are the worst two but performances wise 100%
Sheff Wed are the poorest team I've seen, along with us mind, next we have Southampton who are conceding goals for fun & another game, our 8th, against average teams
Then I go back to whose at fault, where does the blame lie, not just this seadon, but countless seasons of management merrygorounds, some are saying Gibson, others says Scott, others will blame Carrick
Whats the alternative, if we could, would replacing Gibson bring us what we want, 100% not, nothings guarenteed, in fact there have been more bad 'new' owners than good, maybe Gibson needs some voice alongside him to, sort, of disagree with him from time to time
Scott, now there's a thing, I questioned his appointment with the fanfare when he arrived only to be told, he'll get us the players we need, top of his game, then, IIRC, Ramsey & Archer were recommend by Banks, not Scott
With the club wanting to go down the road of the less loans the better for team building, which I totally get, while also getting away from 'project players', yet Hopee was a project player who has since been loaned out & is unlikely to play again for us, how are Engle, Silvera, Rogers, regardless of position, better than Hoppee
Carrick, who you say is blameless in bringing those players in can not be blameless at all in watching some of worst, lacklustre performances I have seen for many a season, even some of Strachans signings would be in ahead of those I've mentioned
Where do we go from hete, who do we blame, I havent the foggiest, I know Southampton who come here on saturday concede for fun, will we score, probably, would you put money on us score, not really
This will be our 8th game & IMHO, we must have had the easiest start of fixtures & to be where we are is not down to bad luck but collective poor management
UTMB
A positive....
Coburn.
I can see Josh playing in the same role that Carrick moved Akpom into. Josh isn't an out and out No 9 in my view but his energy and strength, as well as decent control, could see him playing the same role that Akpom played.
Other than that it was terrible
Engel - clueless defending
VdB - Not good enough, never a right back, foul throws
Hackney - dropped 3 levels since last season, too slow, dwells on the before before misplacing passes
McGree - patently unhappy here
Silvera - slow, ineffective, passenger
Crooks - what the hell has happened to him? Donkey.
O'Brien - ok. Like a poor man's Leadbitter
Dieng - ok
Fry - ok
Lenihan - ok
Subs
Jones - 7/10
Greenwood 2/10
Rogers 2/10
Carrick 2/10
Why was McGree given the hook on 68 mins but Silvera allowed to roam around doing fuck all until the 90th?
Silvera should have been hooked at halftime and Lath brought on.
Given lack of left back options last night I would have moved Engel up to left midfield, Silvera off and brough Smith on at right back and moved VdB to left back.
Crooks should have been hooked and Lath brought on at No9, Josh moving to 10.
It's an easy game when you're just watching I know, but fuck me Carrick doesn't seem to see how bad it currently is and his choices are making us worse.
The most galling issue in all of this is the fact that most of the teams that we battered last season have improved Preston, Cardiff, Birmingham etc whereas we have gone from a play offs team to a side nosediving towards relegation.
Tha replacements for our departed players are abysmal and while the recruitment department must take most of the responsibility Carrick's team selection has been poor.
Jones must be wondering how Silvera is playing instead of himself. O Brien who is a decent player being played out of position, Engel what can I say.
As we are fragile in defence maybe it's time to try Wilderball and go 3 centre backs as all of our full backs are really wingers but I doubt Carrick will go against his standard formation.
This is probably the weakest squad I've seen at Boro since the eighties under Madden and we know what happened then
Hoppe couldn't even get a game for Hibs and now he's sat on the bench for San Jose in the US. VDB looks awful at right back. He gave a needless corner away against QPR which led to their goal. His next touch was a foul throw. How could we not sign a right back ?
End of the day we've lost 40 goals with Akpom, Archer and Ramsey going and replaced them with dross, Atalanta Man City and Brentford reserves.
Quote from: borope on September 20, 2023, 12:04:39 PMEnd of the day we've lost 40 goals with Akpom, Archer and Ramsey going and replaced them with dross, Atalanta Man City and Brentford reserves.
Thats what is making all the difference
We get enough shots on target just not enough converted to cover for the shite defence
Quote from: Ural Quntz (Moderator) on September 20, 2023, 12:12:41 PMQuote from: borope on September 20, 2023, 12:04:39 PMEnd of the day we've lost 40 goals with Akpom, Archer and Ramsey going and replaced them with dross, Atalanta Man City and Brentford reserves.
Thats what is making all the difference
We get enough shots on target just not enough converted to cover for the shite defence
Mystery meat are doing well i see .....
Just look at the protests going on at Sheff Wed last night against their owners.
Happens at other clubs too.
Be careful what you wish for.
UTB.
Quote from: TerryCochranesSocks on September 20, 2023, 11:48:20 AMA positive....
Coburn.
I can see Josh playing in the same role that Carrick moved Akpom into. Josh isn't an out and out No 9 in my view but his energy and strength, as well as decent control, could see him playing the same role that Akpom played.
Other than that it was terrible
Engel - clueless defending
VdB - Not good enough, never a right back, foul throws
Hackney - dropped 3 levels since last season, too slow, dwells on the before before misplacing passes
McGree - patently unhappy here
Silvera - slow, ineffective, passenger
Crooks - what the hell has happened to him? Donkey.
O'Brien - ok. Like a poor man's Leadbitter
Dieng - ok
Fry - ok
Lenihan - ok
Subs
Jones - 7/10
Greenwood 2/10
Rogers 2/10
Carrick 2/10
Why was McGree given the hook on 68 mins but Silvera allowed to roam around doing fuck all until the 90th?
Silvera should have been hooked at halftime and Lath brought on.
Given lack of left back options last night I would have moved Engel up to left midfield, Silvera off and brough Smith on at right back and moved VdB to left back.
Crooks should have been hooked and Lath brought on at No9, Josh moving to 10.
It's an easy game when you're just watching I know, but fuck me Carrick doesn't seem to see how bad it currently is and his choices are making us worse.
Good post & glad someone else has mentioned VDB throwins, hes as bad as Bannagan was
Quote from: TerryCochranesSocks on September 20, 2023, 11:48:20 AMA positive....
Coburn.
I can see Josh playing in the same role that Carrick moved Akpom into. Josh isn't an out and out No 9 in my view but his energy and strength, as well as decent control, could see him playing the same role that Akpom played.
Other than that it was terrible
Engel - clueless defending
VdB - Not good enough, never a right back, foul throws
Hackney - dropped 3 levels since last season, too slow, dwells on the before before misplacing passes
McGree - patently unhappy here
Silvera - slow, ineffective, passenger
Crooks - what the hell has happened to him? Donkey.
O'Brien - ok. Like a poor man's Leadbitter
Dieng - ok
Fry - ok
Lenihan - ok
Subs
Jones - 7/10
Greenwood 2/10
Rogers 2/10
Carrick 2/10
Why was McGree given the hook on 68 mins but Silvera allowed to roam around doing fuck all until the 90th?
Silvera should have been hooked at halftime and Lath brought on.
Given lack of left back options last night I would have moved Engel up to left midfield, Silvera off and brough Smith on at right back and moved VdB to left back.
Crooks should have been hooked and Lath brought on at No9, Josh moving to 10.
It's an easy game when you're just watching I know, but fuck me Carrick doesn't seem to see how bad it currently is and his choices are making us worse.
Swearing.
Reported.
Quote from: Keanu_Reeves on September 19, 2023, 10:15:17 PMOnce again crap, with a side serving of crap, followed by crap for dessert 😵�💫 Engel and Silvera would probably be out of their depth in Boro ladies side 😁
Maybe its because of the money being hemorrhaged on this silly wimmins kickabout all we can afford is National League standard garbage like Engel & Silvera?
And to top it all off a woman commentator on Sky🤬
I'm forever an optimist - so it is a step in the right direction - if we get beat on Saturday I would sack him like.
We're Middlesbrough ..... We're Middlesbrough! :leo1:
Quote from: New Division on September 20, 2023, 05:03:41 PMAnd to top it all off a woman commentator on Sky🤬
Fuck off daft cunt
She was miles better than some of the blokes we've had to endure over the years
I was pissed off about the lack of Boro representatives in the studio mind
Quote from: erimus74 on September 20, 2023, 11:26:11 AMRight after a good nights kip & going over last night's match im still under the same opinion, I was watching the worst two teams in the championship last night, yes the table shows we are the worst two but performances wise 100%
Sheff Wed are the poorest team I've seen, along with us mind, next we have Southampton who are conceding goals for fun & another game, our 8th, against average teams
Then I go back to whose at fault, where does the blame lie, not just this seadon, but countless seasons of management merrygorounds, some are saying Gibson, others says Scott, others will blame Carrick
Whats the alternative, if we could, would replacing Gibson bring us what we want, 100% not, nothings guarenteed, in fact there have been more bad 'new' owners than good, maybe Gibson needs some voice alongside him to, sort, of disagree with him from time to time
Scott, now there's a thing, I questioned his appointment with the fanfare when he arrived only to be told, he'll get us the players we need, top of his game, then, IIRC, Ramsey & Archer were recommend by Banks, not Scott
With the club wanting to go down the road of the less loans the better for team building, which I totally get, while also getting away from 'project players', yet Hopee was a project player who has since been loaned out & is unlikely to play again for us, how are Engle, Silvera, Rogers, regardless of position, better than Hoppee
Carrick, who you say is blameless in bringing those players in can not be blameless at all in watching some of worst, lacklustre performances I have seen for many a season, even some of Strachans signings would be in ahead of those I've mentioned
Where do we go from hete, who do we blame, I havent the foggiest, I know Southampton who come here on saturday concede for fun, will we score, probably, would you put money on us score, not really
This will be our 8th game & IMHO, we must have had the easiest start of fixtures & to be where we are is not down to bad luck but collective poor management
UTMB
Read this the other night , nowt changes much at the top this poster could be talking about this week but it was posted on February 28, 2020
What are other people's views on how whether there is sufficient scrutiny on the Club internally and externally such as through the Evening Gazette and BBC Tees?. My post in the "Should Jonathan Woodgate be sacked?" thread generated discussion so maybe it's worthy of its own thread. I'll get the ball rolling below by adding a few more points.
Externally, I think it's pretty much a dictatorship with the Club's treatment of the Evening Gazette and BBC Tees over the years. We're teetering on the brink of relegation to League One after the appointment of Woodgate backfired as expected and is still in a job, yet there seems to have been next to no meaningful scrutiny. Based upon the clear imbalance between the squad at Woodgate's disposal vs our league position, we should be nowhere near the relegation zone. We're only here through sheer incompetence to 1.) appoint a useless manager and head of recruitment, and 2.) to continue to employ that useless manager (head of recruitment did the right thing and resigned - credit to Bevington for that). I completely don't blame the Evening Gazette sports team for their lack of scrutiny as they've got their hands tied behind their backs. They got their hands scolded after relegation from the Premier League when they became too critical of the team and undoubtedly have budget pressures so have to fall in line with the club as they simply can't afford to fall out with the Club. MFC had the power to bully the Evening Gazette into submission, but it shouldn't do so just because it has the power to. It's dirty tactics which reduces my opinion of Steve Gibson dramatically. Similarly, MFC having the BBC Tees Neil Maddison on the payroll is a massive conflict of interest, so he's never going to be impartial. Notably, Bernie Slaven was sacked from that role because he was too outspoken against MFC's failures. It's so obviously tainted.
Internally, the sound music from Pulis and Woodgate seems to be one of complacency as they have reassured us countless times that there are good policies now in place behind the scenes and that Steve Gibson knows what he is doing. We've heard lots of propaganda for years about "smashing the league", "the golden thread", how we've totally rejuvenated the recruitment policies etc. However, nothing has improved, and instead things have slowly and gradually got worse ever since Gibson regained full power during that messy January 2017 window. From the outside looking in, it seems like Gibson surrounds himself with "yes men" who aren't fit for their jobs, as emphasised by the appointments of Bevington and Woodgate. Given that culture, I can't imagine someone internal who scrutinised Gibson and co's decisions being particularly welcomed behind the scenes. I'm imagining they'd be sacked and thrown under the bus just how Karanka and Orta were after relegation from the Premier League. He took it to an unprofessional level with them personal attacks. It's from the political handbook of dirty tricks. I think Gibson should be absolutely ashamed of himself for doing that to a manager who got us promoted. Common decency and appreciation of his achievements with us should have prevailed. Again, just because you have the power to do something, it doesn't mean you should do it.
In my opinion, the lack of scrutiny internally and externally is contributing to the malaise that has maligned the club for the vast majority of the past decade. It makes me even less confident about our ability to turn things around. In the absence of genuine scrutiny from the local media, fans dismay can only be contained for so long. Before Gibson knows it he's going to come under some well deserved criticism when PR can't paper over the cracks any longer such as if we end up in League One. Maybe only then will he stop burying his head into the sand at any sort of scrutiny.
Who is this expert?
His style seems familiar
Quote from: Ural Quntz (Moderator) on September 20, 2023, 11:32:13 PMWho is this c**t?
We only need Erimus's expert opinion on here, not this amateurs . . . Bet he isn't even from the Boro
Fixed that for you Colonel
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Quote from: New Division on September 20, 2023, 05:03:41 PMAnd to top it all off a woman commentator on Sky🤬
Have you seen who it was commentating?
Pien Meulensteen
I would be sniffing her knickers if I was a bit younger. :rudi2: :cheers:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/24061008/pien-meulensteen-sky-sports-commentator-man-utd/
(https://media.tenor.com/Fr7_PJxyuXIAAAAC/the-mask-jaw-drop.gif)
I might have been a bit hasty with that comment. I'll give the lass another chance 😍
:rudi: