After our welcomed 3-1 midweek away league cup win at Bolton, 2nd win of the season, hopefully this will give the Boro a bit of a confidence boost going in to our final league game before the boring, boring international break when, fingers crossed, we can claim our 1st three points of the season & dare I say it, a cleansheet, with just the one league point to our name so far this season its vitally important we get the three points to claw ourselves away out of the bottom 3
At this moment we've signed 2 players in Sam Greenwood & Lewis O'Brien but not too sure if they'll figure in to the starting eleven, or on the bench, but one player looking forward to this fixture is our No1 keeper, Sammy Deing, signed in the summer from QPR
1st February 1913 - Our 1st ever home fixture v QPR an FAC 2nd round cup tie which Boro won 3-2 with a brace from George Elliott & one from Edmund Eyre
It will be the 31st meeting between both teams on Teesside with the following record
Won - 16
Drew - 4
Lost - 10
Goals scored - 49
Goals against - 38
18th March 1972 - Pat Lynch, who we signed from Cliftonville in June 1970, was the 1st Boro player to make a sub appearance then never feature again for the Boro when he replaced David Mills late in the 2nd half in our 1-0 defeat away to QPR
27th October 2010 - Barry Robson scored 2 penalties at home to QPR in a 2-0 league win , this was the 4th time 2 converted penalties in the same game had happened at the Riverside & 14th time in our history
It was also the 1st time in our history that we had done a league double over QPR
Only the one hat trick v QPR
26th September 1970 John Hickton became the 39th different hat trick goalscorer when he scored his 4th Boro hat trick, our 79th at Ayresome Park, 83rd home & 111 in total
Boro debuts v QPR
Pat Lynch 18/2/1972 away lost 1-0 - The 1st Boro player to make a sub appearance & never play again
Billy Woof 23/11/1974 home lost 3-1
Alan Walsh 1/4/1978 away lost 1-0
Robbie Stockdale 13/1/1997 home 2-0
Mikael Tavaras 11/9/2010 away lost 3-0
Maxmillian Hass 26/2/2011 home lost 3-0
Chubba Akpom 26/9/2020 away 1-1 - Scored
October 1982 - Since the dismissal of Bobby Murdoch, Harold Shepherdson had been in temporary charge for 3 games, leading up to the QPR game, resulting in 2 draws & a win, our best unbeaten run since Feb/March last season & sort of brought a bit of stability back to the team
With the Boro playing with more confidence, though still sitting in the bottom 3 & managerless Boro chairman Mike McCullock turned to his good friend Malcolm Allison to come in & rescue us from what looks like a 2nd consecutive relegation fight, fortunately, big Mal accepted the challenge & became our 21st manager when he was paraded infront of the Ayresome Park faithful before the QPR game, then took his place in the directors box
Top of the league QPR arrived at Ayresome Park full of confidence & this showed when soon enough Boro found themselves trailing when Allen put the Londoners in front & with us not having
the best of records recently against our visitors it looked as though its going to be a long afternoon, but our 2nd highest crowd of the season, 7,892, an increase of 2300 fans up on our previous home game were in for a treat as the mighty Boro come from a goal down to not only equalise through our talisman Heine Otto but to go in front when Irving Nattrass scored our 2nd goal from the penalty spot to become the 48th different Boro penalty scorer & the clubs 183 successful penalty
With massive cheers around the ground the ref blew the whistle & against the odds, the Boro had won the game, a great result against a team we rarely do well against at Ayresome Park, August 1971 was the last time we had beaten QPR on Teesside also, you had to go back to Jan/Feb 1981 to the last time we won back to back home games
I liked big Mals time at the Boro
Some players who played for Boro & QPR
Sammy Deing
Dave Thomas
Don Masson
John O'Rourke
Billy Birrell - Boro captain in 1926/27 when Camsell smashed in 59 goals
Albert Adomah
Emmaunel Ledesma
Grant Hall
Jonathan Hugil
Terry Venables & Neil Warnock has managed both teams
Our 1st 3 games agaisnt QPR were in the FAC, wiining 2 & drawing one, we have since met them 4 more times in the FAC, winning one, drawing two & losing one
We have also played QPR in the 1st (now PL), 2nd (the Championship) & 3rd divison (now 1st divison)
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4-1 Boro. Confidence from the 2nd half at Bolton and the new signings will see off QPR.
3-1
:leo1:
2-2
Well done again Erimus , amount of work you put in to these threads is nothing short of amazing , how long before Sky Sports come calling ??
The 6-2 game is one I will always remember 👍 UTB
Quote from: TeessideTopgun on September 01, 2023, 09:12:47 AMWell done again Erimus , amount of work you put in to these threads is nothing short of amazing , how long before Sky Sports come calling ??
The 6-2 game is one I will always remember 👍 UTB
Cheers TT, 🍻👍
BORO LIONS 2 HOOPS 1 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁💪
Great nostalgia Erimus.
Little known fact - when I was younger and would wear football kits to play footie with my mates, the only other teams strip I ever had apart from Boro and England was QPR and can I fuck remember why.
For that reason I'll go with Mighty Lions 6 Fruit Loop Hoops 3
The 6 2 Game my mam gave me money to sit down as I wasn't feeling too well. Walked from Berwick Hills through Grove Hill to AP and back.
Got home, she rings the doctors ( those were the days) from the phone outside the Newcastle House, he turns up and off to hospital for 10 days with appendix out. She went chuffin wild with me for not telling her the truth. I said it was a cold.
:orson:
Boro 0 QPR 3
Boro 0 - O QPR :carrick3:
I WILL BE IN SCHIPOL AIRPORT TOMORROW ABOUT 1 PM... FLY TO BANGKOK ABOUT 5PM... IF I CAN GET A GOOD WI FI SIGNAL I WILL POST THE TEAM 👍💪💪💪👍😎🌞🇹🇭 U.T.F.B. 😉🍺🍺🍺
Had me thinking about life's changes. We were 8 or 9 when a few of us walked to AP. Today the parents would get locked up
Quote from: LIDDLE_TOWERS999 (MODERATOR) on September 01, 2023, 06:40:38 PMI WILL BE IN SCHIPOL AIRPORT TOMORROW ABOUT 1 PM... FLY TO BANGKOK ABOUT 5PM... IF I CAN GET A GOOD WI FI SIGNAL I WILL POST THE TEAM 👍💪💪💪👍😎🌞🇹🇭 U.T.F.B. 😉🍺🍺🍺
Free WiFi there mate
You going to Murphy's?
Quote from: tunstall on September 01, 2023, 07:18:21 PMQuote from: LIDDLE_TOWERS999 (MODERATOR) on September 01, 2023, 06:40:38 PMI WILL BE IN SCHIPOL AIRPORT TOMORROW ABOUT 1 PM... FLY TO BANGKOK ABOUT 5PM... IF I CAN GET A GOOD WI FI SIGNAL I WILL POST THE TEAM 👍💪💪💪👍😎🌞🇹🇭 U.T.F.B. 😉🍺🍺🍺
Free WiFi there mate
You going to Murphy's?
WILL DO 👍🍺🍺🍺👍💪
Forgot to post these, taken from my 1977/78 scrapbook, I cant recall the powercuts back in november 1977
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Great read Erimus as usual
Might Reds 2-0 Hoops must win game
Quote from: LIDDLE_TOWERS999 (MODERATOR) on September 01, 2023, 07:54:00 PMQuote from: tunstall on September 01, 2023, 07:18:21 PMQuote from: LIDDLE_TOWERS999 (MODERATOR) on September 01, 2023, 06:40:38 PMI WILL BE IN SCHIPOL AIRPORT TOMORROW ABOUT 1 PM... FLY TO BANGKOK ABOUT 5PM... IF I CAN GET A GOOD WI FI SIGNAL I WILL POST THE TEAM 👍💪💪💪👍😎🌞🇹🇭 U.T.F.B. 😉🍺🍺🍺
Free WiFi there mate
You going to Murphy's?
WILL DO 👍🍺🍺🍺👍💪
You'll get a decent breakfast in there an all
That terminal downstairs for UK flights is miserable.
Quote from: teamboro on September 01, 2023, 08:27:59 PMGreat read Erimus as usual
Might Reds 2-0 Hoops must win game
Cheers teamboro 👍
Quote from: TommyDickfingers on September 01, 2023, 10:23:30 AMGreat nostalgia Erimus.
Little known fact - when I was younger and would wear football kits to play footie with my mates, the only other teams strip I ever had apart from Boro and England was QPR and can I fuck remember why.
For that reason I'll go with Mighty Lions 6 Fruit Loop Hoops 3
Cheers Tomny 🍻
Quote from: Blott on September 01, 2023, 08:58:38 PMThat terminal downstairs for UK flights is miserable.
D6?
Not when you're almost home from a long work trip it isn't
I'll be there a week on Saturday grinning like a fucking idiot
That's it. I went through it every month.
It's rough there, but it's the final leg of the journey home so I'm always happy to see it
Thanks Erimus, good stuff.
My only real memory of QPR games are the two FA Cup games in 82.
First FA Cup game on a plastic pitch I think. I remember leaning over the wall to feel it. It was horrible, like twisted elastic bands. Must have knacked.
Bobby Bloody Thomson scored our goal in the 1-1 draw and then missed a penalty in the 3-2 replay defeat.
I remember Andy Sinton (cunt) taking a dive for a penalty in the last few minutes at their place during the first Premier League season
Quote from: erimus74 on September 01, 2023, 08:16:46 PMForgot to post these, taken from my 1977/78 scrapbook, I cant recall the powercuts back in november 1977
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Hedley used to coach our football team , was a good lad , nothing on him but he couldn't half whack a ball
Today a scratchy performance , not great but a much needed win 2-1
Quote from: tunstall on September 01, 2023, 09:02:08 PMQuote from: Blott on September 01, 2023, 08:58:38 PMThat terminal downstairs for UK flights is miserable.
D6?
Not when you're almost home from a long work trip it isn't
I'll be there a week on Saturday grinning like a fucking idiot
I was going to say D6 when reading this thread. Murphys Bar and D6 was always the welcome back to civilization after spending long trips in shithole countries. All lads in there early doors with big fuck off smiles on their faces getting ready for flights back to the UK. Good memories but I couldn't do the long trips in shitholes anymore, would rather sweep roads.
3 - 1 to us.
My abiding memory is getting dicked 5 - 0 there in 98. Townsend sent off. The white city estate reeked of ganja.
Quote from: John Trebor on September 02, 2023, 12:32:38 AMThanks Erimus, good stuff.
My only real memory of QPR games are the two FA Cup games in 82.
First FA Cup game on a plastic pitch I think. I remember leaning over the wall to feel it. It was horrible, like twisted elastic bands. Must have knacked.
Bobby Bloody Thomson scored our goal in the 1-1 draw and then missed a penalty in the 3-2 replay defeat.
Thats rjght John, we scored the 1st ever FAC goalnon QPR's awful pitch, Bobby scored after 11 minutes, they equalised late on
Quote from: Gingerpig on September 02, 2023, 08:06:54 AMToday a scratchy performance , not great but a much needed win 2-1
I'll go with that 🤞
C'mon Boro!
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My memory relates to the 6-2 game! What a match! 2 down after 5 minutes then the Big John and Hughie show took over.
Little nipper I was on the Holgate. I don't think many believed our come back chances after 5 mins.
Not oh how we proved that wrong! Great afternoon
I'm going to take a stab at this:
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:leo3:
Quote from: LIDDLE_TOWERS999 (MODERATOR) on September 01, 2023, 06:40:38 PMI WILL BE IN SCHIPOL AIRPORT TOMORROW ABOUT 1 PM... FLY TO BANGKOK ABOUT 5PM... IF I CAN GET A GOOD WI FI SIGNAL I WILL POST THE TEAM 👍💪💪💪👍😎🌞🇹🇭 U.T.F.B. 😉🍺🍺🍺
All safely tucked up in Teesside Airport.
Hope Lids enjoyed his stroll from the roundabout!
Have a good un mate and see you when you get back. BEHAVE!
:alf: :bigjack
Quote from: tunstall on September 02, 2023, 04:24:56 AMI remember Andy Sinton (cunt) taking a dive for a penalty in the last few minutes at their place during the first Premier League season
I was at that game tunstall, we were leading 1-0, 2-1 & 3-2 surrendered our lead each time
Quote from: Johnny Thunder on September 02, 2023, 09:29:13 AMI'm going to take a stab at this:
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:leo3:
O'Brien has some big boots to fill
Hopefully Smith coming back in & with having 60 odd minutes behind him, before his silly moment & getting sent off, can get himself to how he was this time last season
How good is, holgate end queues today
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3 points nailed on
Once again Erimus great write up mate.After our fightback at Bolton and some of the new signings I'm anticapting a win today 2-1.Going for Silvera to score today if he starts.UTB!!!
Quote from: Smoggers51 on September 02, 2023, 11:35:07 AMOnce again Erimus great write up mate.After our fightback at Bolton and some of the new signings I'm anticapting a win today 2-1.Going for Silvera to score today if he starts.UTB!!!
Cheers Smoggers51 👍
1-1
Its feeling a bit more positive on here now regarding the Boro, we have a couple of wins and draws thrown in to the mix.
:rudi:
Are we going to see 1003rd debutant today! 124 years today after we 1st kicked a ball in the football league
Think it's nailed on O'Brian starts today. Could go with 3 in the middle 433
Tense afternoon 2-1 to us
WHY IS MCGREE NOT STARTING 🙄🙄🙄
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I DO NOT THINK THAT'S IS OUR STRONGEST LINE UP 😡😡😡
Quote from: LIDDLE_TOWERS999 (MODERATOR) on September 02, 2023, 02:05:57 PMWHY IS MCGREE NOT STARTING 🙄🙄🙄
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I DO NOT THINK THAT'S IS OUR STRONGEST LINE UP 😡😡😡
I mcgree
Quote from: LIDDLE_TOWERS999 (MODERATOR) on September 02, 2023, 02:05:57 PMWHY IS MCGREE NOT STARTING 🙄🙄🙄
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I DO NOT THINK THAT'S IS OUR STRONGEST LINE UP 😡😡😡
No it isn't and it will change sharpish if we don't start performing and seeing teams off.
Shite this. Get O'Brian on 2nd half, liven that middle up a bit.
Thanks for the update mate
Sounds like I'm missing another thriller
Quote from: tunstall on September 02, 2023, 03:39:16 PMThanks for the update mate
Sounds like I'm missing another thriller
Very powder puff top third, no killer instinct about us. Has to be changes coming up, get O'brian on for Howson or Hackney, and Mcgree on for Silvera.
FUCK OFF 😡😡😡😡😡😡
WE ARE GOING DOWN 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
FUCK OFF BORO, UTTER SHITE!!!
Fuck me
Fucking shite
Fuck off Boro
FFS :unbelievable:
Does Silvera not realise that the goal is on the ground and not 30ft up in the air.
Crowd booing at HT and fuckin rightly so, the football getting served up is dogshit.
3 on 1 there and we massively fuck up with a simple pass. Make the changes Carrick ffs
Bottom of the league, RED N WHITE ARMY!!!
Shite. Not working hard enough but there were glimpses. Silvera isn't good enough.
Sinton is a cunt speaking Cockordie, confused, died hair apart from burners fuckwit. With Ainsworth playing Jesus who has been to Mecca, fucker thinks he can blend in.
Shit gonna hit fan here today
Fkin clueless
Silvera headless chicken
Engel ....crap out of depth
The definition of shite when that Fugly Ginga Twat Colback scores.
But hang...more hair bear entertainment off the QPR bench.
:winston: :unbelievable:
Think I'll start watching the bewers
Must be better than these useless cunts
Oh fuck
Offering f all
Nowhere near acceptable shite
League one players, replacing premier league players, guess what happens :unbelievable:
Why did he take off Jones silvera should be off
Gareth Ainsworth is Max Wall.
Micheal strokes his beard as we all wonder what will become of us. Jones was offering something unlike Silvera who is adept at losing the ball with no end product.
Silvera shockin
Engel likewise
Fuck me we are getting worse by the game ...
No.plan .no fkin structure....fkin sussed out big style.....but with worse players than we had in play offs & for last 4 games of LAST season ....that's down to Carrick
Think Max Wall was close to the chop the way they are celebrating...like they won the league.
Silvera is way out of his depth as is Engels.
Soft as shite all over the park, Dieng, Jones and Cocoa when he came on the only exceptions.
These players will come good in time for Fleetwood and Carlisle away next season.
Inevitable what is going to happen to Carrick unless he shakes things up. He needs to drop Silvera, he simply isn't good enough, he is league 1 standard. Needs to go to a 442 because we are weak in the middle and light up top. The number 10 role isn't working out, Rogers has potential over time but he ain't Akpom, ELL looks about as useful as Akpom when he was played up top, and you can see why he never cut it at Atalanta. Be lucky he hits double figures this season.
GIBSON, SCOTT & BAUSER SERIOUSLY GO FUCK OFF!!
And another thing, Carrick needs and old head in his coaching staff, the current lot are relative rookies themselves. Mike Phelan, what is he up to these days, give him what he wants and get him in.
:carrick3:
Quote from: Redsteel (moderator) on September 02, 2023, 04:44:36 PMLeague one players, replacing premier league players, guess what happens :unbelievable:
exactly right .
There is no great revival this season no rapid climb up the table they do not have the players .
Don't expect Kim Jung Steve to be popping up in the Gazette with words of encouragement he will stay silent as per usual and watch the season fall apart .
The guy from the room outsmarted us today, what a shambles :carrick3:
Well, I didn't pull my punches as to what was coming before the first ball of the season was kicked. Unfortunately, its turned out even worse than I predicted!
Quote from: teamboro on September 02, 2023, 04:49:56 PMWhy did he take off Jones silvera should be off
It was a scandalous decision. In keeping with the actions of someone who wouldn't know his best team if it shit on his thick head!
:mick:
Carrick needs to book a long meeting with Sir Alex and discuss all aspects of his management style and tactics. God knows he needs to pull more than a rabbit out of the hat!
Well not much to say really, I said to Ken after the game, if I was offered 4th bottom I'd snap their hands off
Cheer up
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That was a shocking display today. Rogers can't hold the ball up as a no 10 is supposed to.Silvera was very poor today.The one positive I took from today was that Jones looks like he is slowly starting to gain form and confidence.The team has to get back to basics, why are we not pressuring opposition goalkeepers on corners. We seem to have forgotten the basic pass and move tactics.We seem to be lacking a sense of team spirit lately as well.After all that though I will still be following the lads home and away because it's the BORO!!!
And NUFC lost - again!
Quote from: Ural Quntz (Moderator) on September 02, 2023, 08:10:37 PMAnd NUFC lost - again!
Brighton have never loojrd back since drawing with us in the final gamecat the Rice in 2015 then losing the playoffs then the following season won promotion & just got better, even changing their manager they improved again
Thats the fella
I was watching the tele & thinking what was the name of the Man City forward we got onloan who was going to have a bright future, then bingo thats the fella
Alex Nimely = Rogers, both useless
Howson looked done in. Dont know what they see in Rogers. There are footballers in Engel and Latte just hope we see more soon.
Mcgree and Coburn perked us up a bit when they came on but i felt we were never going to score.
Daft little things like nobody marking the far post at corners. 11 players all in our half at 2 down.
And that daft offside thing has to go. Not raising the flag straight away will result in a bad injury before long.
And the guy that came on for QPR with the hair! From behind it looked like Kim Kardashian was sat on his head!
Quote from: Nekder (Kenny) on September 02, 2023, 10:16:43 PMAnd the guy that came on for QPR with the hair! From behind it looked like Kim Kardashian was sat on his head!
😁
I came out of the game quite calm but now reading through some of these posts & reliving some of the horrow show today ive got more worked up as time goes on
I will say here & now, this present crop of useless players, Greenwood & O'Brien apart, will not get us out of the rut we're in, im dreadiing to think what the better teams in this league will do to us
On a lighter note new debutants/registetrd players today 1003 & 1004
Too many worried about their hairstyles! Even the linesman looked like he had just fell out of GQ magazine..
I thought we were destroyed down their right. It was easy to sort, we didn't.
We should have scored 4.
It's always fucking should have....would like to see us actually converting some of these chances once in a while....
Cup games against lower league teams are papering over cracks thought with Tuesday's win we would kick on but no another bad day at the office
:unbelievable:
Lets get some analysis
The first goal was a worldy form a lad that had never scored before and went in off the post. Score a minus for not closing him down.
Their keeper (Begovic) played a blinder (in the manner of Joe Clumsy when he came on as a sub for QPR a couple of years ago) and scored 9.2 on sofa score. Made 9 good saves from our 16 shots. They had 3 shots on target
Our shooting is at times appalling and at others unfortunate. Silvera must be wearing clown boots and Latte Lath has no left foot
Paddy McNair was atrocious again especially in the first half hour
The Referee was weak again - why did he have to engage for so long with the weirdo boss of QPR about a whistle in the crowd ( I didn't hear it from my spot in the WSU) Allowed too much time on field for treatment that could clearly have been given off it
Engel had his best game yet (7.7) may make the grade but needs more going forward
Jones seems to have lost all confidence to take a man on. Didnt even think about it when he first appeared
The two new lads plus McGree and Coulson added much needed pace and we'll be a better team when they all play. Howson has gone now as a 90 minutes force in midfield
Rogers is no Akpom in that role but then neither was Akpom in the last few games
Dael Fry needs to stop being a headless chicken when the pressure comes on - the defence finishes out of shape and vulnerable. Not sure what defensive system we play - is it zone or man. Dont think anyone knows. We had 8 players around the 6 yard area and no one covering Colback or three others standing waiting for loose ball around the pen spot
We have enough players that can perform but we need Carrick (and esp Woodgate to sort out the defending)
Don't have a problem with Dieng - can't blame him for either goal
As I've said many times this is a 3 to 4 year rebuild
We gambled with expensive loans last year which no doubt drained the coffers - we were never going to spunk big money
It is what it is - things will settle down and we'll be mid table
The morning after, and feelings are still the same. You can accept a re-build and the vision going forward, however, we looked like a team out of sorts against, and lets be right, a poor QPR team. These are supposed to be the easy fixtures and yet we are rooted to the bottom of the table.
There are a few things that need to change, because it just isn't acceptable the way we are. For starters the defence needs to be sorted. Either go three at the back with Dicksteel and Engel wingbacks or go a flat 4 with dicksteel in front of the back four. Midfield, should be O'Brian Hackney/Barlaser if you go 5 at the back or in a four Mcgree on the left and Forrs/Rogers/Jones on the right. Coburn/ELL up top with Greenwood just in behind.
If we keep doing what we are, then it will only get worse as I see it. I can't see Carrick changing the system, I will file him with the rest, stubborn to the point of being sacked.
I understand the build and push for promotion in 3-4yrs time hoping the prospects by then are the real deal. However, the fans aren't daft and have been sold the dream of a genuine push for the top 2, which the club should have put right during the window. People will be cool if you tell them the long term plan and the short term pain if we started off badly. Yesterday was nothing short of shambolic and the punters will only tolerate it for so long.
Hats off to those who pour their hard earned into the club, you all deserve better value than you are getting.
Quote from: Redsteel (moderator) on September 03, 2023, 09:13:37 AMThe morning after, and feelings are still the same. You can accept a re-build and the vision going forward, however, we looked like a team out of sorts against, and lets be right, a poor QPR team. These are supposed to be the easy fixtures and yet we are rooted to the bottom of the table.
There are a few things that need to change, because it just isn't acceptable the way we are. For starters the defence needs to be sorted. Either go three at the back with Dicksteel and Engel wingbacks or go a flat 4 with dicksteel in front of the back four. Midfield, should be O'Brian Hackney/Barlaser if you go 5 at the back or in a four Mcgree on the left and Forrs/Rogers/Jones on the right. Coburn/ELL up top with Greenwood just in behind.
If we keep doing what we are, then it will only get worse as I see it. I can't see Carrick changing the system, I will file him with the rest, stubborn to the point of being sacked.
I understand the build and push for promotion in 3-4yrs time hoping the prospects by then are the real deal. However, the fans aren't daft and have been sold the dream of a genuine push for the top 2, which the club should have put right during the window. People will be cool if you tell them the long term plan and the short term pain if we started off badly. Yesterday was nothing short of shambolic and the punters will only tolerate it for so long.
Hats off to those who pour their hard earned into the club, you all deserve better value than you are getting.
Good post Red, it is worrying & we are going down the same route as Woodgates teams, far to weak all over the field
Quote from: Redsteel (moderator) on September 03, 2023, 09:13:37 AMThe morning after, and feelings are still the same. You can accept a re-build and the vision going forward, however, we looked like a team out of sorts against, and lets be right, a poor QPR team. These are supposed to be the easy fixtures and yet we are rooted to the bottom of the table.
There are a few things that need to change, because it just isn't acceptable the way we are. For starters the defence needs to be sorted. Either go three at the back with Dicksteel and Engel wingbacks or go a flat 4 with dicksteel in front of the back four. Midfield, should be O'Brian Hackney/Barlaser if you go 5 at the back or in a four Mcgree on the left and Forrs/Rogers/Jones on the right. Coburn/ELL up top with Greenwood just in behind.
If we keep doing what we are, then it will only get worse as I see it. I can't see Carrick changing the system, I will file him with the rest, stubborn to the point of being sacked.
I understand the build and push for promotion in 3-4yrs time hoping the prospects by then are the real deal. However, the fans aren't daft and have been sold the dream of a genuine push for the top 2, which the club should have put right during the window. People will be cool if you tell them the long term plan and the short term pain if we started off badly. Yesterday was nothing short of shambolic and the punters will only tolerate it for so long.
Hats off to those who pour their hard earned into the club, you all deserve better value than you are getting.
Good analysis
Thank fuck for the International break - and no home games for 3 weeks!
Might try for a Bradford ticket though
What dafcuns we are - just keep coming back
Made 9 good saves from our 16 shots
That makes it sound like a worldly performance from Begovic. You would struggle to repeat the 9 on target let alone the 16 shots.
Im struggling to remember 5!
You cant count the 1 that ended up in Darlo it was that wide!
Will agree with their 1st goal. It was a beauty. Perfect curl on it you could see it bend in the air.
And i would rather play Carrick as a #9 than that baby giraffe, must think he is a Brazilian with his 1st touches, Rogers.
Quote from: Nekder (Kenny) on September 03, 2023, 10:05:00 AM Made 9 good saves from our 16 shots
That makes it sound like a worldly performance from Begovic. You would struggle to repeat the 9 on target let alone the 16 shots.
Im struggling to remember 5!
All the clear cut chances were hit straight at him. ELL needs to keep calm, he is trying too hard in my opinion and panic strikes. Look at Archer yesterday for Sheff utd, his first goal so calm and clinical, it really brought home yesterday what we are missing. Archer in our team yesterday, we win 4-2.
I was impressed by their manager Ainsworth. Up, down, shouting, whistling, kicking most of the balls.
They might not be a good side but you could see the players listen to him.
Quote from: Nekder (Kenny) on September 03, 2023, 10:07:39 AMWill agree with their 1st goal. It was a beauty. Perfect curl on it you could see it bend in the air.
Cracking strike, Deing was wrong footed, no blame attached to him at all, or the 2nd goal either
We definitely need a strong defence we've been lacking a strong defence since Kranka days
Quote from: teamboro on September 03, 2023, 11:28:10 AMWe definitely need a strong defence we've been lacking a strong defence since Kranka days
I think a fit Clark would always start, and Dicksteel at RB for his pace. One thing is for certain, Silvera shouldn't be anywhere near that first team sheet, subs bench at best. Will be interesting to see if Carrick changes tact and works on something to make us stronger at the back and middle of the park.
What's happened to Paddy?
Confidence? Played out of position?
Quote from: Redsteel (moderator) on September 03, 2023, 02:47:22 PMQuote from: teamboro on September 03, 2023, 11:28:10 AMWe definitely need a strong defence we've been lacking a strong defence since Kranka days
I think a fit Clark would always start, and Dicksteel at RB for his pace. One thing is for certain, Silvera shouldn't be anywhere near that first team sheet, subs bench at best. Will be interesting to see if Carrick changes tact and works on something to make us stronger at the back and middle of the park.
Clarke played a blinder on his debut, then struggled the next few games & seems to have been out forever, with noone having any idea what his injury is, or, how long before he's at least back training
Carrick has to change his ideas of playing the game, its just not working, last season teams feared us before kickoff, we had goals all over the pitch, granted no blame is at Carricks door hes dealt the hands he's got with recruitment but just try & play to our strengths not persisting with a rigid system thats not working for us
Quote from: tunstall on September 03, 2023, 03:07:13 PMWhat's happened to Paddy?
Confidence? Played out of position?
Last year of his contract. Doesn't give a fuck.
Quote from: Johnny Thunder on September 03, 2023, 03:11:54 PMQuote from: tunstall on September 03, 2023, 03:07:13 PMWhat's happened to Paddy?
Confidence? Played out of position?
Last year of his contract. Doesn't give a fuck.
And he's dogshat :rudi:
Quote from: teamboro on September 03, 2023, 11:28:10 AMWe definitely need a strong defence we've been lacking a strong defence since Kranka days
Stronger under Pulis. We had the joint best goals against record in the Division during the 18/19 season.
Quote from: tunstall on September 03, 2023, 03:07:13 PMWhat's happened to Paddy?
Confidence? Played out of position?
Probably both seeing as he was the clubs best player two years running not so long back whilst playing in a back three. Isiah Jones took that that accolade for the following 21/22 season playing at right-wing back.
But our clueless clown of a manager prefers to play one at right-back and the other as a winger?!!